Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia
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But then how do you define hate speech?
Also, this:
Maybe they did it without knowing what it meant to you, or maybe they thought it was funny, or maybe they were trying to normalize and legitimize hatred of Jews.
None of those things make a Nazi salute acceptable. Literally nothing makes it acceptable. You're now on the level of people who have been defending Elon Musk for it, I hope you realize that.
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Those were the exceptions. When it came to things like medical science with experiments on POWs and concentration camp prisoners they were so abysmal it wasn't funny.
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Yeah nah. Any law is ripe for abuse by fascists.
To me the law is less about punishing Nazis and more of a clear statement that as a society we find this ideology unacceptable.
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Because, as I said, they find each other online, in social settings, etc. Shit, the Aryan Brotherhood started as a prison gang. Banning the salute isn't going to keep people from knowing about hate groups because that's not how they find out about them to begin with.
I'm not arguing against banning hate speech, I'm just saying that that alone isn't going to fix the problem. We also need to figure out why people are drawn to this stuff. Is it poverty? Lack of education? Lead in the drinking water?
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Dude, if a 15 year old kid is messing around with his buddies and throws up a salute, it should not be punishable. If a 30 year old autistic guy throws up a salute because he never understood the context or meaning behind it, he shouldn't be punished. I can theorize a hundred examples that wouldn't be deserving of punishment, but are actually simple misunderstanding or ignorance. And that's the problem. I don't think it's acceptable, but I also don't think it's punishable through government actions. Social pressure should be sufficient to correct ignorant behavior in cases like this. Do you think it's more just to punish an innocent man wrongly, or to let a guilty person go free? Do you feel confident in the justice system ability to determine guilt accurately?
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If a 30 year old autistic guy throws up a salute because he never understood the context or meaning behind it, he shouldn’t be punished. I
You're now using the exact excuse people made for Elon Musk.
Can you tell me about all these autistic people who go around giving Nazi salutes inadvertently? Because there are a lot of autistic people in my family and that doesn't seem to be amongst their symptoms.
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Yes, no one is denying there are other ways to do it.
What you seem to be suggesting is that if you eliminate literally the most easy way to find who to sign up with when it comes to joining a hate group, it won't make a difference.
What exactly do you think the point of public advertising is? Aesthetics?
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Yes that’s how corruption works
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Kudos to Australia. Leon Hitler should travel there, have his arrested and deposited in the middle of the Great Australian Desert.
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Elon is mature enough and to know better and I'm not defending him. But my argument is not that they would do it inadvertently, but that they would do it without understanding the significance. I feel like you keep trying to bully me into a position I don't hold...
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Yeah makes no sense & you sound like an idiot. Maybe they should lock you up for what you just said.
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Yes. I also saw a lot of fascist Democrats this last election unable to figure out why no one wanted to take orders from them. Toy think the oligarchy cares about the laws. No one enforced the law.
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No, I don't think banning the nazi salute will make much of a difference as far as hate group recruitment. I also don't think it would be easy, at least in the US. Mileage may vary in other countries, of course.
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Nope. They were perfectly legal as they were ordered by the government.
