Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia

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Those were the exceptions. When it came to things like medical science with experiments on POWs and concentration camp prisoners they were so abysmal it wasn't funny.

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Yeah nah. Any law is ripe for abuse by fascists.

To me the law is less about punishing Nazis and more of a clear statement that as a society we find this ideology unacceptable.

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Because, as I said, they find each other online, in social settings, etc. Shit, the Aryan Brotherhood started as a prison gang. Banning the salute isn't going to keep people from knowing about hate groups because that's not how they find out about them to begin with.

I'm not arguing against banning hate speech, I'm just saying that that alone isn't going to fix the problem. We also need to figure out why people are drawn to this stuff. Is it poverty? Lack of education? Lead in the drinking water?

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Dude, if a 15 year old kid is messing around with his buddies and throws up a salute, it should not be punishable. If a 30 year old autistic guy throws up a salute because he never understood the context or meaning behind it, he shouldn't be punished. I can theorize a hundred examples that wouldn't be deserving of punishment, but are actually simple misunderstanding or ignorance. And that's the problem. I don't think it's acceptable, but I also don't think it's punishable through government actions. Social pressure should be sufficient to correct ignorant behavior in cases like this. Do you think it's more just to punish an innocent man wrongly, or to let a guilty person go free? Do you feel confident in the justice system ability to determine guilt accurately?

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I used to be a person that believed very strongly in freedom of speech and that anything which was categorized as a philosophy or belief shouldn't be censored.

However, after seeing how hard fascism has taken hold in America, I'm beginning to change my mind.

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If a 30 year old autistic guy throws up a salute because he never understood the context or meaning behind it, he shouldn’t be punished. I

You're now using the exact excuse people made for Elon Musk.

Can you tell me about all these autistic people who go around giving Nazi salutes inadvertently? Because there are a lot of autistic people in my family and that doesn't seem to be amongst their symptoms.

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Yes, no one is denying there are other ways to do it.

What you seem to be suggesting is that if you eliminate literally the most easy way to find who to sign up with when it comes to joining a hate group, it won't make a difference.

What exactly do you think the point of public advertising is? Aesthetics?

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Yes that’s how corruption works

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First, I despise the fucking Nazis and Communists. The disgusting human experiments that were conducted by the Germans and Japanese were gobbled up by the Allied medical professionals.

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Kudos to Australia. Leon Hitler should travel there, have his arrested and deposited in the middle of the Great Australian Desert.

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Elon is mature enough and to know better and I'm not defending him. But my argument is not that they would do it inadvertently, but that they would do it without understanding the significance. I feel like you keep trying to bully me into a position I don't hold...

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It is impossible for me to bully you over Lemmy. It is possible to say offensive things about autistic people, though. Maybe you shouldn't. Unless you have an actual example of this happening.

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Yeah makes no sense & you sound like an idiot. Maybe they should lock you up for what you just said.

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Yes. I also saw a lot of fascist Democrats this last election unable to figure out why no one wanted to take orders from them. Toy think the oligarchy cares about the laws. No one enforced the law.

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No, I don't think banning the nazi salute will make much of a difference as far as hate group recruitment. I also don't think it would be easy, at least in the US. Mileage may vary in other countries, of course.

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So you illegally trespass onto someone elses' property which is their safe zone to commit arson & vandalism? You are allowed to burn all the crosses you want on your own lawn as long as it doesn't violate fire codes where you live. That is free speech. Really dumb argument by you BTW. Do you want to be locked up for it cause you don't like free speech?

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I don’t really understand this whole “free speech” thing. If it were ww2 would you be worried about nazis having free speech or would you do what needed to be done?

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More like Israel why do you show your population non-stop propaganda & conscript them to join your military & engage in psyops & social media influence on your behalf. This is all verifiable on Wikipedia BTW with references.

Also no one cares that they get called Nazis. I care when you start locking people up for expressing themselves in ways that are non violent. Lock up all the Nazis assaulting people you want, but when you start assaulting people for what they wear or hand signs they make, then you become the violent criminal.

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Nope. They were perfectly legal as they were ordered by the government.

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I'm gonna be generous and assume the original commenter meant "Aboriginals on average have significantly worse outcomes compared to non-aboriginal Australians due to historical persecution"

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Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia