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Don't fix the problem just change the parameters

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    Analogue clocks are a great example of kids having to understand a concept and apply it. And it's simple enough that anyone can learn it.

    I often see examples where children are required to memorize a set solution, instead of showing understanding and reaching the solutions themselves.

    These clocks are somewhat dated, but removing them just feels like another symptom of a failing educational system.

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    Nah let's ditch the analog clocks and instead teach them sundials. That will really stretch their brains.

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      Analog clocks are dated? Let's get rid of books because we have kindles. Just something was invented a very long time ago doesn't make it obsolete by any means. Or should we get rid of spoons or hammers? Those things are really somewhat dated.

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      Do you know how to read a sundial?

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      • ibaudia@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

        They still exist and will continue to exist in many contexts indefinitely, such as men's fashion and clock towers, so there it's not like they'll ever be "obsolete" per se. They are also extremely easy to learn, and are a good way to teach concepts like spatial reasoning and gears to kids. I think schools should teach about them for those reasons.

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        I'm tired of your modern woke bullshit. Why are you trying to teach kids to read clocks with mechanical hands? Use a sundial like a normal person.

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          You'd be amazed how many students can't tell their left from right.

          wtf? this goes back further than analogue clocks.. we used to have a ribbon on one hand until we learned to distinguish right from left

          next you're gonna tell me kids can't tie shoe laces anymore right?

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          I understand that learning left from right is a skill to learn. However, it was rare for a teenager to be unable to distinguish their left from right, unlike today.

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            I understand that learning left from right is a skill to learn. However, it was rare for a teenager to be unable to distinguish their left from right, unlike today.

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            so kids these days are no longer taught that two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do? wild

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              So digital clocks should be allowed in exams that allow calculators?

              Read again. Slowly.

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              You said we are required mental arithmetic which isn't the case in higher education

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                It's definetrly because they don't want to teach this thing that takes like 10 minutes to explain and not because recalibrating every daylight savings hour one by one is a hassle.

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                  .... Unless the parents are idiots as well.

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                  No doubt the parents are idiots just like their kids

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                    I've had, and honestly still do have issue with reading it rather than understanding. At least the way I was taught, it just sounds really weird, like 15:40 being "5 minutes till quarter to 4 in the afternoon".
                    I don't need to think about "fifteen forty".

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                    thinking is hard

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                      You said we are required mental arithmetic which isn't the case in higher education

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                      Let me take a guess: you may have heard about higher education at some point. Apart from that, read again and again. Slowly. Few times.

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                        No doubt the parents are idiots just like their kids

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                        Reversed Darwin. More and more of these.

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                          One part of me wants to feel disappointed that kids aren't learning to read analog clocks, but another part of me thinks there was a time when people grew disappointed that the younger generations stopped learning to use an abacus in favor of digital calculators. I certainly don't want some old geezer giving me shit because I don't want to learn to use an abacus. I also don't want to be that old geezer.

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                          very few continue to use an abacus. analog clocks will still be around for decades

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                            I think removing everything that kids have a bit of a hard time trying to grasp just teaches kids to give up if anything isn't immediately apparent. Its not as much of a waste of time as cursive, and it's to be taught to think in another way.

                            I think that kids "learning how to learn" is really important, especially with how these AI models are stunting like a whole generation of people.

                            This is minor,
                            but I also think less things need electronic displays/components that are hard to recycle and increase dependency on exploiting X country for Y resource. Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do

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                            It is minor but part of a bigger problem. Show them a globe and ask them to point our where Austria is and then ask them where Australia is. Most couldn't do it. And many wouldn't even know the difference

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                              I remember learning in second grade.

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                              The older you are the more you actually learned in school.

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                                I fail to see why problem an analogue clocks are a solution for.

                                Like cursive they are obsolete.

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                                good point. that's why we have no need to study history since every thing in the past is obsolete

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                                  Analogue clocks are a great example of kids having to understand a concept and apply it. And it's simple enough that anyone can learn it.

                                  I often see examples where children are required to memorize a set solution, instead of showing understanding and reaching the solutions themselves.

                                  These clocks are somewhat dated, but removing them just feels like another symptom of a failing educational system.

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                                  As our schools fail they simply change the parameters to cover up their failures

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                                    It's definetrly because they don't want to teach this thing that takes like 10 minutes to explain and not because recalibrating every daylight savings hour one by one is a hassle.

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                                    When I was a student, my school had analog clocks that were synced via some electric system.

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                                      Let me take a guess: you may have heard about higher education at some point. Apart from that, read again and again. Slowly. Few times.

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                                      You're ratioed in each and every comment and still you act with this feeling of superiority. I admire this level of confidence or should I say lack of self reflection.

                                      Where I live, students get a calculator in I think 8th or 9th grade. So at this point, it would be ok to also hang a digital clock in the classroom, right?

                                      If you are repeatedly misunderstood and want to change that, maybe rephrase your point if you have one. Than you might even be taken seriously.

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                                        You're ratioed in each and every comment and still you act with this feeling of superiority. I admire this level of confidence or should I say lack of self reflection.

                                        Where I live, students get a calculator in I think 8th or 9th grade. So at this point, it would be ok to also hang a digital clock in the classroom, right?

                                        If you are repeatedly misunderstood and want to change that, maybe rephrase your point if you have one. Than you might even be taken seriously.

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                                        Read again. Slowly. And again. And again.

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                                          I think removing everything that kids have a bit of a hard time trying to grasp just teaches kids to give up if anything isn't immediately apparent. Its not as much of a waste of time as cursive, and it's to be taught to think in another way.

                                          I think that kids "learning how to learn" is really important, especially with how these AI models are stunting like a whole generation of people.

                                          This is minor,
                                          but I also think less things need electronic displays/components that are hard to recycle and increase dependency on exploiting X country for Y resource. Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do

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                                          Cursive is wayyyy more accessible for lots of people with chronic pain in their arm/hand/wrist. Also helps prevent those conditions for those who have do a lot of hand writing. I dread the day that people will no longer be able to read the least painful way to write or me.

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