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What is the end game?

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    Total Control. That's really what it's all about. They want to control the narrative, they want to control the markets, they want to control every little bit that there is left that hasn't been touched. What they want is a dystopia and they're gearing moreso into realizing that dystopia than they ever been.

    Ever heard of Shadowrun? The TTRPG? That's what things are gearing towards, just take away the interesting and cool aspects from Shadowrun and you basically have reality right now as we know it.

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    It would be a whole lot cooler if we had actual dragons hoarding all this, as opposed to metaphorical ones.

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      Oligarchs replace most government functions with private entities that they have equity in and funnel tax dollars into their own companies. It looks like they're trying to cause a depression too, so they can buy everything up for cheap (farms, homes, etc). I think they're stupid, but not stupid enough to not realize an economic depression coupled with gutting social safety nets will lead to massive crime waves and riots; so I'm guessing they're planning on a police state and work camps for people they arrest (think that's what they're going to do with many of the immigrants too).

      I've heard it postulated they are realigning with Russia and other dictators because we'd lose our normal allies if we became such a society. And they probably have very lucrative deals with Russia as well.

      I sucks we don't have a good, inspiring opposition party or something to lead or rally around. Without that, anger will just manifest as unorganized, unproductive riots and violence. "Conservatives" are still pretty brainwashed too; believing whatever they're told by media. They will support the government gunning down and enslaving "criminals," at this point in time. I'd hope that changes when things get hard, but media will work hard to redirect the blame.

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      Postulated? Russia openly announced this yesterday. Krasonov is in the house.

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        All these US-centric answers.
        Learn Mandarin. The world will continue on after the US empire ends.

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        No shit it's us centric answers op asked what the plan was for the "leaders" in the us

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        • vk6flab@lemmy.radioV [email protected]

          What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?

          Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?

          How do these despots think that food arrives?

          At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.

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          The most likely scenario is something similar to the post Soviet style collapse that followed USSR.

          Gorbachev Introduced glasnost and perestroika to reform the Soviet system that inadvertently eroded the ideological and institutional foundations of the USSR, accelerating its collapse. Today, Trump is pursuing a similar, if ideologically inverted, disruption of the US institutions. Attacking the deep state, undermining trust in media and elections, and prioritizing loyalty over expertise. He’s enacting a purge of the permanent bureaucracy under the guise of draining the swamp, feeding off polarization and institutional distrust. These policies are eroding the foundation of the system paving the way to its collapse.

          Soviet collapse followed as a result of a shock therapy with sudden price liberalization, fiscal austerity, and privatization that led to hyperinflation, economic instability, and the rise of an oligarchic class. Similarly, Trump is busy slashing regulations and cutting corporate taxes, fuelling short-term growth that deepens wealth inequality and corporate consolidation. Like Gorbachev, he’s ushering in a polarized economic landscape where faith in the system is rapidly dwindling among the public.

          The decline in living standards is amplifying nationalism, in form of MAGA, and deepening cultural and regional divides in the US. Trump's whole rhetoric is rooted in divisive politics. Just as Soviet republics turned inward post-glasnost, prioritizing local grievances over collective unity, so are states like Texas, Florida, and California are increasingly talking about breaking with the union. People like Musk are well positioned to target the remaining public services and industries for privatization.

          The USSR collapsed abruptly, while the US might face a slower erosion of its institutional norms. The big difference here is that the Soviet Union was structurally more resilient to societal collapse compared to the United States.

          USSR had a lot of redundancy in critical infrastructure such as public transit, people owned their homes, and food production was largely localized. This allowed communities to survive during systemic failures. Another big factor is that Soviet society emphasized collective welfare over individualism, fostering mutual aid networks and state-provided essentials like healthcare and education, which could buffer against collapse.

          The US relies on fragile, privatized systems with just-in-time supply chains, and largely deregulated utilities. We already saw how this system buckled under the stress of the pandemic, and routinely fails to deal with natural disasters like the LA fires. America's dependency on globalized trade coupled with hyper-individualism and lack of contingency planning, makes it prone to chaos in a collapse scenario. The profit efficiency driven model risks catastrophic failure under pressure.

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            What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?

            Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?

            How do these despots think that food arrives?

            At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.

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            As a map some days ago showed, Canada, Greenland, Panama, probably Israel, maybe even Ukrain - it's all about shipping lanes.

            All that effort makes sense if there is the believe that global trade will increase and that the USA will still be relevant when the center of the global population is in Asia.

            So extinction is not the goal but could be an accepted risk.

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              Shadowrun or Eclipse Phase, eithrr way it's not good. I'd like the tech from the latter, but not the rest of the setting.

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                What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?

                Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?

                How do these despots think that food arrives?

                At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.

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                https://web.archive.org/web/20130925165535/http://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/the-dark-enlightenment-by-nick-land/
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Land

                https://web.archive.org/web/20131004224958/http://unqualified-reservations.*removed*/
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

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                  Look up curtis yarvin. That's basically their ideology. So 100s or 1000s of city states scattered around north America. Mostly dominated by either the religious extreme or tech bros and ai.

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                  https://web.archive.org/web/20130925165535/http://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/the-dark-enlightenment-by-nick-land/
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Land

                  https://web.archive.org/web/20131004224958/http://unqualified-reservations.*removed*/
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

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                    I would have said the Cyberpunk TTRPG. Shadowrun was basically Cyberpunk with magic.

                    Cyberpunk even predicted this

                    https://www.vice.com/en/article/rich-people-are-using-this-app-to-hire-armed-guards-after-the-uhc-ceo-shooting

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                    • cheers_queers@lemm.eeC [email protected]

                      i would believe this if they hadn't literally taken it away. it's about oppression, simple as.

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                      Appease "the Base" and "own the libs". Drive a deeper wedge and call it freedom and unity.

                      This isn't normal.

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