SOURCES The Tate brothers left Romania directly for Florida on a private plane from Baneasa airport at five in the morning /Ten days ago Trump's special envoy intervened with the foreign minister in t
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One of the first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Donald_Trump_Las_Vegas_rally_incident
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I was talking about western governments in general.
I am not sure where you see democracy suspended in general?
Except for Romania's supreme court annulling the results of the recent election because of massive Russian interference and Ukraine postponing elections due to the ongoing war, I am not aware of any other western government doing such thing.
it’s now „alarming” how people vote for anything other than those parties.
This aspect highly depends on which country we are talking about, due to different voting mechanisms. The worst offender in this category is clearly the US where the 'first past the post' system mathematically results in a two party system.
Here in Germany, we held elections this Sunday on the 23rd. One notable outcome of this election was a near doubling of votes for the left party "Die Linke" compared to last election, which was projected to lose all of their previous seats, which were not many to begin with. This increase was a direct result of conservatives choosing to work with the far-right AFD party before the election. So people actually are voting depending on issues and not just out of habit.
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I mean, Romania can just ship everything to some other EU state first. How dependent is Romania's economy on the U.S. anyway?
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I am not sure where you see democracy suspended in general?
I was referring to general dynamics in western politics. I don’t think Romania will be the only one to do it. There was no due process (did he get to appeal?) for the Georgescu so I wouldn’t really put that much faith in charges against him. Do you really trust Romanian government after they released Tate because Trump asked the to?
This aspect highly depends on which country we are talking about, due to different voting mechanisms. The worst offender in this category is clearly the US where the 'first past the post' system mathematically results in a two party system.
Yeah, it mostly depends on how easy is to get into a „winner gets all” scenario for a political actor. In countries with presidential systems like France, or in countries with two parties systems like US that’s relatively easy, especially with financial backing. Less so in multi-party system which is a saving grace for many European countries for now.
I’m happy that Linke did so well but what does that matter when liberals pretending to be centrists can rule indefinitely? German system favours big coalition outcomes so it’s not like it’s that flexible. And if it’s not flexible then my biggest worry is that stagnation will lead to even bigger knee-jerk reactions from general population later on. We’re literally looking at increasingly 1930s circumstances and we’re not able to act due to all of this inertia.
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Not much economically , but we depend on american weapons and USA protection. Moldova is another sensitive topic...
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Maybe a time traveller, or maybe just a dude who saw the decades of bankruptcies, Epstein parties, and fraud and thought "this guy shouldn't run the USA."
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I don’t think Romania will be the only one to do it. There was no due process (did he get to appeal?) for the Georgescu so I wouldn’t really put that much faith in charges against him.
Was there? I am not deeply invested in the matter, so my knowledge of the situation is only superficial. But generally speaking, annulling the result of the first round of a run-off is not equal to cancelling a whole election. The question the supreme court answered was not "Did Georgescu cheat" but "was there so much external interference as to question the results' validity". If people disagree with this decision, they have to appeal or sue and make their case, which includes Georgescu and also other candidates or any other citizen for that matter.
As for the charges: Due process is going to court in this case. See above.
I trust Romanian government even less now after they released Tate because Trump asked them to.
On a moral level, I highly contest this decision as well. But looking at real world politics: The power imbalance is just too great to ignore. This is the same situation as when Putin visited Mongolia: Yes, he should have been arrested and handed over to the ICC. But realistically, the repercussions for Mongolia would have been too severe to handle.
when liberals pretending to be centrists can rule indefinitely? [...]
stagnation will lead to even bigger knee-jerk reactions from general population later onThese two points somewhat contradict each other. If the majority of the population wants these people in power, why would there be some knee-jerk reaction?
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Was there? I am not deeply invested in the matter, so my knowledge of the situation is only superficial. But generally speaking, annulling the result of the first round of a run-off is not equal to cancelling a whole election.
There are rulings by Supreme Court as far as I can tell but that was rather fast, wasn’t it? Due process takes time. Removing candidates and redoing the elections until results are acceptable isn’t that much different from not holding elections at all.
These two points somewhat contradict each other. If the majority of the population wants these people in power, why would there be some knee-jerk reaction?
Is it really a choice? How long will people be happy with this kinds of governments? In Poland it took a year for our „centrist” (aka market liberal, social conservative) to have 30% approval rating. All that they have to say is that other guys are even worse and it’s not exactly a great political platform even if we were conditioned to be satisfied by this little.
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I still think that was setup.
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In some way I understand Romania, ship those assholes back to the states. And bar them from the country (hopefully), then the assholes are not their problem anymore.
Yes it's a shame they didn't pay for their actions, but I expect them to fuck around and find out in the near future.
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Not criminal foreigners. They have US and UK dual citizenship, as per the article. If anything they're bringing their own criminals home. Unfortunately they won't bring them to justice, but that's also kind of in line for them.
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Known poor shot, taking a long ranged shot, with no scope.
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Most assassination attempts on world leaders usually boil down to a mentally unstable dude with a weirdly personal grievance and the yearning to be famous for something.
I'd say that dude fit the profile fairly well.
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"They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people"
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New Department about to drop.
Maybe he's recruiting the Tates to become the new epstein-Island ringleaders since they have experience in sex trafficking...and they clearly were in a position where they could do for a quid-pro-quo w/Trump since they stuck in Romania
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Not petty criminals. Accused of rape, statutory rape, sex and human trafficking, and more.
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They are still ordinary small time pimps who committed ordinary pimp crimes, not big organised crime on a large scale.
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You don't need to be a time traveller to see how a megalomaniac criminal and notorious con artist shouldn't ever hold such a powerful office.
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Good riddance?
I expect many Romanians are saying the same.
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I mean I guess? When I think "petty criminal" I don't really associate that at all with child rapists. Or vice versa.
