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Borderlands 2 is temporarily free to grab on Steam, as it continues to be review bombed for non-Randy Pitchford tweet reasons

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  • G [email protected]

    Tbh i never played the series with friends so i wouldnt know, was just fun collecting guns shooting things and hacking in super combos.

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    That’s a shame, because the series truly shines with multiplayer. It turns a grindy incremental loot game into a reason to hang out with friends.

    Probably a tenth of my friends list on Steam came from joining random public Borderlands games, and just hanging out with whoever happened to be playing.

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      It’s because it isn’t spyware. There is no kernel level anticheat or admin requirements as people keep suggesting . And the only things it sends back to gearbox is related to game functions:

      • your steam friends list so it can check if they have a gearbox account
      • in game chat
      • which level in the game you’re currently on

      I literally went to the point of packet inspection and found nothing to be concerned about.

      EDIT: clarified reply was about it being called spyware.

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      And the only things it sends back to gearbox is related to game functions:

      For BL2.

      This is the data they're going to collect in the new game(hint, it's "everything"):

      https://www.take2games.com/privacy/en-US/

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      • G [email protected]

        My point to OP was that review bombing is, by definition, malicious. Sure, some companies can claim their game was "review bombed" because they don't like the legitimate criticism of their game, but what it really is, is when bad actors leave fake reviews because they don't like the game for reasons beyond the mechanics or systems.

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        #30

        It's a form of protest. And like with all protests, some are right, some are wrong. It's not always bad actors.

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        • G [email protected]

          My point to OP was that review bombing is, by definition, malicious. Sure, some companies can claim their game was "review bombed" because they don't like the legitimate criticism of their game, but what it really is, is when bad actors leave fake reviews because they don't like the game for reasons beyond the mechanics or systems.

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          #31

          They literally turned the game into spyware and are distributing it by giving it away for free. How does that fit your description in any way?

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          • ohshit604@sh.itjust.worksO [email protected]

            I suppose you didn’t hear about the new EULA for Take-Two/2K/Rockstar games eh?

            Long story short they have explicit permission to install a root kit on your system which is a popular type of malware. If the developers knowingly install a root kit on your system and someone who is savvy enough decides to abuse it, well… let’s just say the outcome isn’t pretty for the end-user.

            I love BL1 & BL2 but this is justification to put those games to rest or run them offline or in LAN, having a back door to people’s systems on any online game will backfire.

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            i know about that. i also know its quite overblown. their EULA is no different than all of them.

            but no malware has been installed.

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              #33

              Buuuuuuuuuut they changed the EULA and now it has root level access to your system. As in its literally spyware.

              Fuck free. You couldn't pay me to install this shit. Do so at your own risk. I want less massive corporations rooting around in my stuff. Not more.

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              • M [email protected]

                The actual game files for Borderlands 2 haven’t been updated in several years. Sure, you could argue that the new TOS is just setting things up to quietly slip the spyware in later after the attention has waned. But as it currently stands, all of the new TOS stuff was just bringing their older games up to match their newer releases that are still being actively supported. Chances are very good that they never actually update Borderlands 2, and simply use the new TOS for future releases; It’s simply an indicator that their future releases will have some gnarly anti cheat bullshit bolted on.

                But that doesn’t make headlines, nor does it fuel gamers’ nebulous rage. And yes, the “chances are good” part means the chance is a non-zero number. If I told you “there’s a poisoned skittle in this gigantic bowl, but the chances are good that any single skittle won’t kill you,” how many skittles would you be inclined to eat?

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                If their future releases need root level access they can keep them. No thank you.

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                • woelkchen@lemmy.worldW [email protected]

                  Can't you just grab it and then restrict its internet access?

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                  Grab it so you own it then torrent a non-spyware version.

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                    You will not use exploits or illegal or unauthorised means to interfere with or adversely impact any other user’s ability to use the services as intended; to gain unfair gameplay advantage; or to gain access to virtual items or other content to which you do not have valid entitlement. This includes the use of cheats or so-called ‘mod menus’, unauthorised mods, hacks, glitches, or any other technical exploits, and phishing, scamming, or social engineering.

                    In legalese, does 'this includes' mean 'additionally' or 'specifically'?

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                    • nima@leminal.spaceN [email protected]

                      i know about that. i also know its quite overblown. their EULA is no different than all of them.

                      but no malware has been installed.

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                      #37

                      i know about that. i also know its quite overblown. their EULA is no different than all of them.

                      That’s quite an ignorant statement to make, just because you don’t care about what you sign up for doesn’t mean other’s don’t as well.

                      but no malware has been installed.

                      a root kit is quite literally a type of malware, you agreed to malware being installed to your machine at any point in time and if not when it does bite you in the ass you can’t sue for damages.

                      With your current mindset you might as well be on Reddit like all the other sheeple.

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                      • deflated0ne@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                        Buuuuuuuuuut they changed the EULA and now it has root level access to your system. As in its literally spyware.

                        Fuck free. You couldn't pay me to install this shit. Do so at your own risk. I want less massive corporations rooting around in my stuff. Not more.

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                        Please forgive my ignorance. What if we already have the game on Steam? Do I have to approve something? Or do they just have that access now?

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                        • nima@leminal.spaceN [email protected]

                          absolutely worth it to get, btw. still play it to this day.

                          and Borderlands 3 I think is like 2 dollars on steam at the moment. absolutely grab that.

                          edit: here

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                          Borderlands 3 has such insanely horrible writing though.

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                          • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                            So you can't play with friends? Isn't that like half of the fun of Bonerlands?

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                            ...where are you guys finding friends?

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                              You will not use exploits or illegal or unauthorised means to interfere with or adversely impact any other user’s ability to use the services as intended; to gain unfair gameplay advantage; or to gain access to virtual items or other content to which you do not have valid entitlement. This includes the use of cheats or so-called ‘mod menus’, unauthorised mods, hacks, glitches, or any other technical exploits, and phishing, scamming, or social engineering.

                              In legalese, does 'this includes' mean 'additionally' or 'specifically'?

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                              Also note that this is for a game without competitive multiplayet

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                              • B [email protected]

                                Please forgive my ignorance. What if we already have the game on Steam? Do I have to approve something? Or do they just have that access now?

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                                #42

                                The game being free now doesn’t change anything. Just like any update to a game everyone got it.

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                                • R [email protected]

                                  Borderlands 3 has such insanely horrible writing though.

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                                  imho people tend to exaggerate nowadays when it comes to that stuff.

                                  the writing isnt "horrible" its just not the best in the series. i found it to be alright, honestly.

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                                    i know about that. i also know its quite overblown. their EULA is no different than all of them.

                                    That’s quite an ignorant statement to make, just because you don’t care about what you sign up for doesn’t mean other’s don’t as well.

                                    but no malware has been installed.

                                    a root kit is quite literally a type of malware, you agreed to malware being installed to your machine at any point in time and if not when it does bite you in the ass you can’t sue for damages.

                                    With your current mindset you might as well be on Reddit like all the other sheeple.

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                                    check my edit thanks and have a pleasant evening.

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                                      You will not use exploits or illegal or unauthorised means to interfere with or adversely impact any other user’s ability to use the services as intended; to gain unfair gameplay advantage; or to gain access to virtual items or other content to which you do not have valid entitlement. This includes the use of cheats or so-called ‘mod menus’, unauthorised mods, hacks, glitches, or any other technical exploits, and phishing, scamming, or social engineering.

                                      In legalese, does 'this includes' mean 'additionally' or 'specifically'?

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                                      Additionally.

                                      It's outlaying the parameters and then it goes on to give some common examples so a rational actor can get a good idea behind the meaning of the parameters. It's not an exhaustive list of all activities that could violate their parameters.

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                                      • corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksC [email protected]

                                        Additionally.

                                        It's outlaying the parameters and then it goes on to give some common examples so a rational actor can get a good idea behind the meaning of the parameters. It's not an exhaustive list of all activities that could violate their parameters.

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                                        #46

                                        Does it blanket forbid those even if individual examples of those things don't violate the parameters in the beginning or does it forbid them only if a particular instance under those categories violates the first part?

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                                          Does it blanket forbid those even if individual examples of those things don't violate the parameters in the beginning or does it forbid them only if a particular instance under those categories violates the first part?

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                                          Can you give an example? Purely for academic intrigue... Not advisement purposes.

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