Teddybears - Punkrocker
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They're not, but is that an excuse to be lawless too? If the enemy commits war crimes, how are you any better if you do the same?
wrote last edited by [email protected]You shouldn't need an excuse to be lawless; laws are usually bad, and never good in cases where something else wouldn't do the trick.
They're a tool for the powerful to save face and appropriate progressive efforts when on the defensive, to divide us and keep us complacent when they're on the offensive. They are the shield and sword of injustice. Not a fan.
Your conscience, fine. But laws? That is, at best; clown shit.
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read about nazi germany it will be too late
Dude, my entire family was in the resistance. My great grandfather hid jews on his farm, was captured, tortured and died in a concentration camp. My family smuggled crashed British pilots back to England and liquidated traitors (family in my mother's side) and blew up train tracks and communication lines (family on my father's side). When my grandfather died, we found a huge walk-in closet filled with gas masks, emergency food, machine guns and ammo, a chest filled with hand grenades. In The Netherlands. I've had a lot of history lessons in school. Plain history, political history, economic history. I know a lot about nazis, how they come to power, how they work.
I see what's happening right now. The lack of democratic and media resistance right now leads to them gaining power, which will lead us having to escalate to more violent and unlawful measures. I don't want it to come like that, that's why I'm politically fighting the far right in my country (and fighting fake news) and even though they have taken too much power in my eyes, they can't just do whatever the fuck they want.
The US, however, is a failed state and the democrats were way to passive (and also too right wing themselves). So there's no hope. Violence may be the only option. But just don't dehumanize your enemy, don't treat others how you don't want to be treated yourself.
They dehumanize themselves. Like, aspirationally. On purpose.
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I think there's a pretty big difference between someone rooting for the dark space wizard against the light space wizards in a story set in outer space, vs taking the side of a psychopathic superman in a show that's literally about calling out fascist chuds and male power fantasies, in a world that is meant to directly mirror our own.
Scifi and fantasy also try to mirror the real world. In star wars, the whole story about the empire and the rebellion is basically the story of any great Empire in history. It becomes too big, crooked people take over, it becomes corrupt, it becomes too restricted, too evil to keep power, rebels will fight against oppression and the empire will fall. With a new government filling the vacume, and the whole story starts over again. Heroes become villains. Good guys become bad. They all have their reasons, they all have twisted justifications for their actions. Whatever filter is used, it's mirroring society. Whether it's space scifi, fantasy or super heroes.
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And what are they blind to (you know, the obvious question you were being asked)?
I guess your blind too, since Ive already answered that question multiple times. You must be the most simple of all the culture war weirdos.
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I can take a guess as to the hat you wear.
So you can guess the hat I wear, but you cant guess that Im not American? insert "you must be a special kind of stupid" meme right here.
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You shouldn't need an excuse to be lawless; laws are usually bad, and never good in cases where something else wouldn't do the trick.
They're a tool for the powerful to save face and appropriate progressive efforts when on the defensive, to divide us and keep us complacent when they're on the offensive. They are the shield and sword of injustice. Not a fan.
Your conscience, fine. But laws? That is, at best; clown shit.
Thanks to laws I live in a wealthy country where I can walk safely on the street anywhere any time without being in danger. No one has guns, there's safe infrastructure, crime levels are low. But if you live in the US, a corrupt and failed state, or any other corrupt country, I get your sentiment.
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They dehumanize themselves. Like, aspirationally. On purpose.
... Said Hitler about the jews. Said Netanyahu about Palestinians. Said Trump about trans people.
If you think you are superior and consider them untermenschen, how are you any different from a fascist exactly?
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Scifi and fantasy also try to mirror the real world. In star wars, the whole story about the empire and the rebellion is basically the story of any great Empire in history. It becomes too big, crooked people take over, it becomes corrupt, it becomes too restricted, too evil to keep power, rebels will fight against oppression and the empire will fall. With a new government filling the vacume, and the whole story starts over again. Heroes become villains. Good guys become bad. They all have their reasons, they all have twisted justifications for their actions. Whatever filter is used, it's mirroring society. Whether it's space scifi, fantasy or super heroes.
I'm well aware of the obvious parallels to the real world in Star Wars. The Boys is an accurate reflection of our real world, and how "supers" would behave in an unregulated, ultra-capitalist society.
You can like Darth Vader for looking badass and having a red light saber, without being a fascist. You can't really say the same for people who actually like Homelander and think he's a good guy.
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I'm well aware of the obvious parallels to the real world in Star Wars. The Boys is an accurate reflection of our real world, and how "supers" would behave in an unregulated, ultra-capitalist society.
You can like Darth Vader for looking badass and having a red light saber, without being a fascist. You can't really say the same for people who actually like Homelander and think he's a good guy.
I like Homelander because he's so fucked up, so sick and twisted, such a well written roll and perfectly performed. But I like dystopian worlds, as entertainment. I like Gaspar Noé movies. But I can't say Homelander is a good guy, no. Just pure evil.
But it's the same with Darth Vader. Who would think he's a good guy? You can like him for being cool and evil, but saying he's the good guy is the same as saying Homelander is a good guy, isn't it?
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So you can guess the hat I wear, but you cant guess that Im not American? insert "you must be a special kind of stupid" meme right here.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I was referring to tin foil. Where sid I imply you were American?
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Thanks to laws I live in a wealthy country where I can walk safely on the street anywhere any time without being in danger. No one has guns, there's safe infrastructure, crime levels are low. But if you live in the US, a corrupt and failed state, or any other corrupt country, I get your sentiment.
wrote last edited by [email protected]thanks to laws i live in a wealthy country
Thats one word for 'colonialism'. Samesies btw! And there are streets where i cant use the sidewalk bevause of all the tents, so fuck it.
Because of the laws and their enforcers; i never feel safe. Maybe this is just a class position thing?
guns
Fair, but it's not the guns that tend to scare me here.
corrupt and failed
Corrupt; you can explain what the fuck that means, that just seems like liberal standard english for 'i don't like'.
Failed: nope, can tell by all the men with guns who would be cheered if they killed me, but i wouldn't share a glass of water with in case they choked and i was disappeared forever.But you seem to be avoiding the shit i actually said and just scanning for things you can use in arguments that support what you already believe, rather than trying to understand what im saying. If only there were a famous politician who said you should read like that...
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... Said Hitler about the jews. Said Netanyahu about Palestinians. Said Trump about trans people.
If you think you are superior and consider them untermenschen, how are you any different from a fascist exactly?
When a fascist talks shit, it's talking about itself. Literally always.
Also, not sure trump has said that about trans people. Think he's saving it for the midterms. You're just saying crap.
how are you different
Blue hair, for one. Very important difference. But stuff that will hit harder for stuffy old intellectual sorts, in case any read this:
I can explain what i mean when i use words and actually consider stuff intellectually, rather than relying on shallow understandings and gut emotional reactions that barely rise past the level of aesthetics and i valorize and absolutely never explore or apply nuance to. My conclusions flow from my observations rather than the other way around. I tend to revel in rather than abhor complexity. Hey...
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Right - fight them! Resist them! But do not let them push you into being inhuman yourself.
If even namecalling is too much for you, then you do not, in fact, understand how to defeat horrible people, let alone fascists destroying humanity.
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If even namecalling is too much for you, then you do not, in fact, understand how to defeat horrible people, let alone fascists destroying humanity.
I'm not talking about name-calling. Go hog wild with that, it seems fairly effective.
I'm talking about dehumanizing them. Deciding that any means that will end them is justified. Treating them like feral animals. Harvesting their organs for profit, like outhouseperilous suggested further up. That's what I'm pushing back on.
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When a fascist talks shit, it's talking about itself. Literally always.
Also, not sure trump has said that about trans people. Think he's saving it for the midterms. You're just saying crap.
how are you different
Blue hair, for one. Very important difference. But stuff that will hit harder for stuffy old intellectual sorts, in case any read this:
I can explain what i mean when i use words and actually consider stuff intellectually, rather than relying on shallow understandings and gut emotional reactions that barely rise past the level of aesthetics and i valorize and absolutely never explore or apply nuance to. My conclusions flow from my observations rather than the other way around. I tend to revel in rather than abhor complexity. Hey...
Also, not sure trump has said that about trans people. Think he's saving it for the midterms. You're just saying crap.
Removing DEI, stripping trans service people of their rights and benefits, denying trans people their identity... Yeah, sure, I'm just talking crap.
I can explain what i mean when i use words and actually consider stuff intellectually, rather than relying on shallow understandings and gut emotional reactions that barely rise past the level of aesthetics and i valorize and absolutely never explore or apply nuance to. My conclusions flow from my observations rather than the other way around. I tend to revel in rather than abhor complexity. Hey...
There are fascist intellectuals too. Remember Oppenheimer for example? There were many nazi scientists in nazi Germany. Being a fascist doesn't automatically mean being dumb or ignorant. It means having a lack of compassion as they don't care about causing harm to others and they they believe there's a rank in people, in which they are better than others. Ubermensch and untermensch. They believe some people are more human than others and deserve more rights. Dehumanizing groups of people is usually done to justify crimes against humanity. Murder, torture (like forced medical experimentation like Mengele did), slavery, re-education, sterilization, extermination, etc.
No matter how evil, fucked up, imbicile, hateful or corrupt someone may be, they are still human and should be treated as such. Even if they don't treat others like that. Because classifying someone or a group as less human is fascism.
I am better than those bad people. I'm a better person. I'm not more human than them.
Look at the world's history, or what's happening right now. Humans are fucking evil and fucked up. Some are good, some are bad, but we're all still human.
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Also, not sure trump has said that about trans people. Think he's saving it for the midterms. You're just saying crap.
Removing DEI, stripping trans service people of their rights and benefits, denying trans people their identity... Yeah, sure, I'm just talking crap.
I can explain what i mean when i use words and actually consider stuff intellectually, rather than relying on shallow understandings and gut emotional reactions that barely rise past the level of aesthetics and i valorize and absolutely never explore or apply nuance to. My conclusions flow from my observations rather than the other way around. I tend to revel in rather than abhor complexity. Hey...
There are fascist intellectuals too. Remember Oppenheimer for example? There were many nazi scientists in nazi Germany. Being a fascist doesn't automatically mean being dumb or ignorant. It means having a lack of compassion as they don't care about causing harm to others and they they believe there's a rank in people, in which they are better than others. Ubermensch and untermensch. They believe some people are more human than others and deserve more rights. Dehumanizing groups of people is usually done to justify crimes against humanity. Murder, torture (like forced medical experimentation like Mengele did), slavery, re-education, sterilization, extermination, etc.
No matter how evil, fucked up, imbicile, hateful or corrupt someone may be, they are still human and should be treated as such. Even if they don't treat others like that. Because classifying someone or a group as less human is fascism.
I am better than those bad people. I'm a better person. I'm not more human than them.
Look at the world's history, or what's happening right now. Humans are fucking evil and fucked up. Some are good, some are bad, but we're all still human.
deeds not words
Oh absolutely trying to kill trans people, for the base, but does not personally give a shit. Is saving the rhetoric for an election.
fascist intellectuals
There were. There aren't anymore because it's a fundamentally anti intellectual movement. Their analyses all amount to a shallow disdain for complexity and contrivance to baffle shitlibs into alliance.
saying someone is less human
Again, not a distinction im making or care about. This is not meaningful to me Who are you arguing with? Is this just action for the sake of action on your part?
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deeds not words
Oh absolutely trying to kill trans people, for the base, but does not personally give a shit. Is saving the rhetoric for an election.
fascist intellectuals
There were. There aren't anymore because it's a fundamentally anti intellectual movement. Their analyses all amount to a shallow disdain for complexity and contrivance to baffle shitlibs into alliance.
saying someone is less human
Again, not a distinction im making or care about. This is not meaningful to me Who are you arguing with? Is this just action for the sake of action on your part?
wrote last edited by [email protected]There were. There aren't anymore
Example: Jordan Peterson.
There are many others.
Don't underestimate your enemy my friend. Just because the ones in the foreground are low IQ screaming idiots doesn't mean the quiet ones behind the curtains are low IQ too.
It's not about intellect per se. It's about empathy. Take a sociopath for example. They can be highly intellectual but their goal will justify any means because they lack any form of it.
I'm not saying intellect has nothing to do with the rise of fascism, because fascists are very good at manipulating low IQ people with disinformation. These low IQ people, the heard, won't see the harm they do because that would drive their support away so it's all being hidden and twisted.
But the core of the rise of fascism is definitely planned by intellectual people and you should not underestimate that.
Don't just look at the skinheads on the street. Look at the people funding fascist tyrants.
Again, not a distinction im making or care about. This is not meaningful to me Who are you arguing with? Is this just action for the sake of action on your part?
We were talking about dehumanizing people, weren't we?
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I'm not talking about name-calling. Go hog wild with that, it seems fairly effective.
I'm talking about dehumanizing them. Deciding that any means that will end them is justified. Treating them like feral animals. Harvesting their organs for profit, like outhouseperilous suggested further up. That's what I'm pushing back on.
While the organ harvesting is a bit much, you must realize how utterly asinine and inept being against violence is when the target is openly vile people who choose to betray humanity.
Yes, we must always keep context in that these people are bad because they CHOOSE to betray humanity, but remembering context is wholly different than deciding to go against proven means for defeating this hateful, anti-humanity ideology...
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There were. There aren't anymore
Example: Jordan Peterson.
There are many others.
Don't underestimate your enemy my friend. Just because the ones in the foreground are low IQ screaming idiots doesn't mean the quiet ones behind the curtains are low IQ too.
It's not about intellect per se. It's about empathy. Take a sociopath for example. They can be highly intellectual but their goal will justify any means because they lack any form of it.
I'm not saying intellect has nothing to do with the rise of fascism, because fascists are very good at manipulating low IQ people with disinformation. These low IQ people, the heard, won't see the harm they do because that would drive their support away so it's all being hidden and twisted.
But the core of the rise of fascism is definitely planned by intellectual people and you should not underestimate that.
Don't just look at the skinheads on the street. Look at the people funding fascist tyrants.
Again, not a distinction im making or care about. This is not meaningful to me Who are you arguing with? Is this just action for the sake of action on your part?
We were talking about dehumanizing people, weren't we?
jordan peterson
No, you said intellectuals. He's exactly what i described. Please read what i wrote before replying.
there are many others
You couldn't name one.
IQ
Clown shit
empathy
I have explored that system, stared into that abyss. Im aware of how it works, and it is not, in the ways that matter to me; a person. I can get my ass kicked by the computer in a 30 year old video game. Doesn't make it a person.
planned by intellectuals
Even uf you stretched the definition to inclhde ghouls like gingrich and bannon; they're not entirely welcome in those spaces anymore
funders
Yeah they're rich; not smart. Different. Arguably exclusive.
we were talking about
Scroll up.
talking like jordan peterson all day
So....
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How I really feel is that because of people like you, and every other culture war weirdo, is why we have Trump in the first place. You all got the America you deserve. Just a shame its other people paying the price for it. But Im sure you'll be OK, youve got your worthless internet points...
Americans not understanding other countries exist, an exhibit: