And nothing of value was lost
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this is as stupid of a take as saying, “violence is bad!” towards someone bloodied and bruised who just defended themselves from an attack.
Self defense is different than drunkenly flattening a pedestrian lmao
What if that pedestrian was Donald Trump?
Drunk driving, like, as a rule, is really, really bad. It's incredibly very awful. ... But I'm still gonna pop the shampaign.
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I don’t believe they are the same species as me. They have devolved to the point where their brains lack empathy, a distinctly human trait.
You sound an awful lot like a Nazi right now.
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one of the primary protections of the constitution is that nobody can infringe upon your constitutional rights. if they do, they lose some of the protections given to them through the constitution.
I think it's fair that if some racist fuckhole wants to kill people based on their color or gender identity, it's only fair that we celebrate when they die. obviously death is not the goal, however a celebration that the hate they injected into the world is now slightly weaker over all is.
my point is, if you lead a life of an asshole you will be remembered as an asshole.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You can celebrate their deaths all you want. But when you start dehumanizing them you're taking notes from their playbook. Be better than them.
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It's literally the one message every old European used to preach to us younger generations back in the day. I remember how important it was to them to make us understand that the minute we start dehumanizing people we don't like, we are repeating the cycle.
It is why movies like Der Untergang exists. We have to understand that the most despicable people who ever lived were still human beings and much closer to ourselves than we like to think.
I have carried with me, my whole life the knowledge that I am fallible and I am capable of evil no matter how good of a person I think I am. To a lesser extent, every time I have thought I was too clever to fall for x, y and z, that's when I have fallen right into it. "I would never end up in an abusive relationship. I have too much self respect for that"
"I'm far too strong to become the doormat in this and that friendship" "I'll never fall for fake information online. I'm too observant" I could never trust myself to believe I would be too smart, kind or principled to not fall into a destructive and abusive pattern of behavior if the circumstances are twisted just right. I think more people would benefit if they reminded themselves of their imperfections and got off their high horses. On Lemmy alone I have encountered far too many holier than thou types who are super duper anti fascist but ironically act exactly like fascists, but to them it doesn't count because they are "on the right side of history".
Am I sad that some nazi KKK guy died? No. But he was human. Most likely a very terrible human, but still human.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The problem is that fascists know that normal people are empathetic in this way, and they use it against us. It makes it nearly impossible to stop them (without violence).
At some point you're just bowing down to murderous psychopaths who literally want you dead.
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I can't fix her because there's nothing to fix.
I can't, but I want more of her.
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::: spoiler controversial opinion
These nazi racist fuckheads are still human beings. As unfortunate as it may be and as implausible it might seem, any of us are capable of becoming or raising someone to become entrenched in a bad and hateful ideology. Dehumanizing them doesn't stop their ideas from spreading. In fact, a big part of their ideology is the dehumanization of different groups of people. So please don't encourage that practice.
:::I disagree with the comment directly below you.
I like my mom way more than my dad, and I took on her political beliefs(which are objectively better).
But we are all creatures of our environment.
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The point isn't whether or not it is okay to fight nazis. The commenter only states that the guy who died is still a human even if we don't like him.
That is a fact. If we start dehumanizing people we don't like, we open ourselves up to becoming monsters no matter how justified we feel we are.
I struggle with this myself. I have a deep-seated disgust toward narcissists and emotionally, I do not consider them human beings. Rationally, I know that they are and that if I continue to refuse to accept that they are one of the countless aspects of humanity, I open myself up to my own narcissistic aspects, where I see an entire subsection of humanity as lesser than me, as pests instead of human beings with a severe personality disorder that most likely came from repeated childhood neglect and abuse.
It is okay to feel strong negative emotions toward people we don't like, but we cannot allow ourselves to dehumanizing them because that is how we become monsters ourselves.
Empathy is hard because it isn't always the easiest or most comfortable path. It can feel downright injust at times, but that is all emotions talking. The more we think about it, truly reflect on it, the more we will understand that choosing empathy over emotional outbursts, will serve us and society far better in the long run. But it is fucking difficult.
You make good, valid points.
But there are people that will continually take from or harm you and ask for empathy afterwards.
Your philosophy needs to deal with those situations as well.
Never harming back has negative consequences for your self.
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It's literally the one message every old European used to preach to us younger generations back in the day. I remember how important it was to them to make us understand that the minute we start dehumanizing people we don't like, we are repeating the cycle.
It is why movies like Der Untergang exists. We have to understand that the most despicable people who ever lived were still human beings and much closer to ourselves than we like to think.
I have carried with me, my whole life the knowledge that I am fallible and I am capable of evil no matter how good of a person I think I am. To a lesser extent, every time I have thought I was too clever to fall for x, y and z, that's when I have fallen right into it. "I would never end up in an abusive relationship. I have too much self respect for that"
"I'm far too strong to become the doormat in this and that friendship" "I'll never fall for fake information online. I'm too observant" I could never trust myself to believe I would be too smart, kind or principled to not fall into a destructive and abusive pattern of behavior if the circumstances are twisted just right. I think more people would benefit if they reminded themselves of their imperfections and got off their high horses. On Lemmy alone I have encountered far too many holier than thou types who are super duper anti fascist but ironically act exactly like fascists, but to them it doesn't count because they are "on the right side of history".
Am I sad that some nazi KKK guy died? No. But he was human. Most likely a very terrible human, but still human.
So give her partial credit on the community service part of the sentence?
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We are in an administration that lives by "the ends justify the means", so I'll allow it this once.
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So give her partial credit on the community service part of the sentence?
The only one talking about community service is you, I fear. Can't give credit for anything that wasn't said.
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Wouldn't the fascists even argue that empathy is toxic?
They do, but they also perform double speak to counter their hypocrisy. They’re rather famous for doing it.
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Jury nullification?
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The problem is that fascists know that normal people are empathetic in this way, and they use it against us. It makes it nearly impossible to stop them (without violence).
At some point you're just bowing down to murderous psychopaths who literally want you dead.
So we should just give up and become them, is what you're saying. That works well for two minutes and then you replace the problem with a new one. Russia is a good example of that, lol.
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This depends on the state and depends wildly on the circumstances. Driving in a reckless manner, e.g. while intoxicated, and killing someone is probably a felony everywhere.
In theory, sure.
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So we should just give up and become them, is what you're saying. That works well for two minutes and then you replace the problem with a new one. Russia is a good example of that, lol.
So we should just give up and become them, is what you’re saying.
If that was your takeaway, either you need to re-read my comment, or I do because that's not at all what I meant to say.
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You sound an awful lot like a Nazi right now.
You sound like an idiot
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What? .42% BAC = 4.2% promille, over five times the legal limit and potentially fatal.
100% if you're a nazi apparently.
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The problem is that fascists know that normal people are empathetic in this way, and they use it against us. It makes it nearly impossible to stop them (without violence).
At some point you're just bowing down to murderous psychopaths who literally want you dead.
Acknowledging and understanding they are human DOES NOT mean cowing down or bowing down to them. It means understanding that they're human.
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I would ask you, is it OK to fight Nazis in a war? If you say yes, then what's the difference?
Are you incapable of fighting someone you consider human?
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It doesn't really matter if we think they're people. It doesn't really matter if they are. We (all the worthy humans) should treat them as non people.
I can't see a negative here beyond false identification. If there was an objective, without a doubt way to measure if someone was a Nazi, I would support genociding them (and only them). Proactively. It should simply be as illegal to just be a Nazi on the same level as it would be to murder an entire country's population.
Turns out that is either impossible or we're millions of years from figuring out how to do that safely (safe in terms of not harming non Nazis). But the minute we do I'd be on board with punishing them for daring to be born. There is no world of timeline in which being Nazi isn't worthy of immediate execution.
But since all of that is a pipe dream, in the mean time we can at least celebrate when they get taken out naturally. I wouldn't like rub it in the family's face (unless they were Nazis as well) or anything, but I'm definitely not even gonna act sad about it. The more pain they feel as they die, the harder I laugh. Tough lessons suck to learn. Sorry NOT sorry.
As a last note, I think that would be the better world, and it would be defending ourselves from their existence, which is a threat to everyone. As long as that idea is still in someone's head, no one is safe.
Yes, it does. Because when you don't acknowledge someone, you start pretending they shouldn't have any rights at all, and then you can fall victim, far more easily, when they scapegoat someone, or fall victim to that hatred being redirected to an invalid target
