Pete Hegseth tells NATO that a return to Ukraine's 2014 borders is 'unrealistic'
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Any time anyone says something like OP did, I imagine them in front of a whiteboard trying to explain to themselves how the US of today is the same US as last month.
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You'd think Zekensky would give him that amount in relation to the amount of land liberated.
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I'm surprised he can say anything with Putin's dick that far down his throat.
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It's just "Ukraine". "The Ukraine" implies that it's a territory and not the name of an independent country.
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Except it's not like that. "The Ukraine" is how it was referred to when it was part of Russia. "Ukraine" is correct.
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You might want to look up the historic usage. And I don’t mean the slavic etymology nor soviet russia. It has been named both until the article became a politicized matter. So if you want to object to me accidentially implying I would not affirm the independence of Ukraine as a country, then I understand that.
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Lol sorry, every nation in Europe is a sovereign entity and is responsible for the safety of their citizens and the integrity of their borders.
Poland made the decision to arm itself and has been spending for years. Lack of investment in the military is fundamentally a national decision to divert money into other programs or tax cuts.
The US has been becoming less and less interested in the rules based order we built after WW2 for the last 20 years.
Many people have predicted this would happen. You have only yourselves to blame.
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Agreed! Ukraine should keep all that land they conquered.
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Trump knows the proxy war in Ukraine is lost. The Ukrainians had their civil war, and the whole time one side was receiving weapons from NATO and the other side was receiving weapons from Russia. In the end they were unable to come to a unifying agreement, despite multiple peace talks.
Finally, Russia invaded directly and the Ukrainian side receiving their support disappeared from the news. Since Russia invaded we’ve been given this narrative that Putin wants territory, but it’s that side in Ukraine’s civil war that is leading its people to join Russia. They felt that was the better deal and would rather have security than reunify with the other half.
Ukraine is only shrinking because the NATO-backed side started the civil war. These are the consequences of refusing to allow the democratic process to play out. The NATO-backed side lost an election and then initiated a coup in 2014, kickstarting the destruction of their country. Fuck around, find out.
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Russia has been waging imperialistic wars against its neighbours since way before Ukraine.
It will also continue to do so, since it managed to fuck up its economy so bad it can't get back from a war economy.
Also, if anything this would still be a NATO victory even if it's not a total Ukrainian victory. Russian military stockpiles are fucked, Europe is bringing back NATO with new funding, better cooperation and key new members.
We've got NATO lake and the Moskva is still sunk. Wonder how long it will take to rebuild it. Sanctions are not going anywhere either.
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They won't expire, there is a literal brand new Rheinmetall factory in Ukraine.
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If the US is not helping, they should fuck all the way off.
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They just lost the cold war.
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Oh great, another Putinbot spouting reams of misinformation.
Trying to clean up the whole mess from your firehose of bullshit is a fool's errand, but here are a couple counterpoints for the benefit of anyone not already familiar with the relevant history:
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The war in Ukraine was not "civil." It was being waged against Russian troops acting as "separatists," a disguise so thin that the only ones to buy it were on Russian state TV.
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Every single escalation in the conflict was by Russia, ever since the hostile takeover of Crimea.
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The military strength of Russia compared to NATO is so ridiculously lopsided that the only way Russia could possibly "win" is if they're able to sabotage NATO from the inside, for instance by manipulating foreign elections enough to put a Russian puppet in charge.
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By 2013, it was clear that Ukraine’s democratic facade was crumbling. [...] The Party of Regions controlled the Cabinet, the Parliament (Verkhovna Rada), and most local councils. Its leading [financial-political groups] also controlled most of the courts, the police, the tax administration, and major state-owned industrial companies—in other words, the lion’s share of the economy.
Doesn't look much like a healthy democracy to me.
And the 2014 coup being backed by Western powers appears to me to merely be a Kremlin talking point. Do you have any reliable source to backup that claim?
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Europe is having energy problems. Germany especially is seeing its manufacturing capacity decline due to high energy costs. Before Russia intervened directly and Europe was forced to enact sanctions, they were receiving gas from Russia at a discount and they were paying in Euros. Now they buy expensive LNG from Norway and the USA. They’ve replaced cheap energy with expensive energy.
If NATO hadn’t backed the coup to kick off the Ukraine war, Germany’s car manufacturing would be growing into the EV market instead of shrinking and hobbled. Old allies can’t catch a break.
New NATO countries are finding out that the US can’t afford vassal states like it used to. The Trump administration expects each country to pay for NATO military expenditures. Military budgets are increasing, and countries are trading financial sense to be allies with a declining American empire.
Meanwhile Russia is part of BRICS, an economic bloc that includes more than half the world’s population. And what is Trump’s response? Trump wants to go to war against the biggest economic bloc in world history. Trying to fight half the world in an economic war sounds like a losing strategy if I’ve ever heard one.
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I don't like what you said but sadly it is true - we should have invested much more in the defence and start permanent sanctions on Russia since Chechnya war.
That doesn't distract from the fact that Trump is a cunt working hand in hand with Putler.
