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  • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

    Summary

    Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered 160,000 more Russians aged 18–30 be drafted from April 1 to July 15, amid U.S.-brokered ceasefire talks.

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned the Kremlin is preparing a major offensive in Sumy, Kharkiv, and Zaporizhzhia, accusing Russia of stalling negotiations to gain territorial leverage.

    Over 100,000 Russian soldiers are confirmed dead. Ukraine reported 46,000 dead and 380,000 wounded.

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    As we all know, repeatedly drafting several divisions worth of men is a sign you're winning the war...

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      Let's just imagine what it would look like if Europe mobilized and armed 160,000 soldiers. The fact that it sees undoable for most tells us how badly situated we are...

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      Europe has 450 million people. It will be easier for them than Russia with 146 million people. Stop spreading FUD.

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      • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

        Summary

        Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered 160,000 more Russians aged 18–30 be drafted from April 1 to July 15, amid U.S.-brokered ceasefire talks.

        Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned the Kremlin is preparing a major offensive in Sumy, Kharkiv, and Zaporizhzhia, accusing Russia of stalling negotiations to gain territorial leverage.

        Over 100,000 Russian soldiers are confirmed dead. Ukraine reported 46,000 dead and 380,000 wounded.

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        And it’s 1 2 3 what are we fighting for don't ask me I don’t give a damn next stop is Zaporizhzhia

        That’s a lot of meat for the grinder

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        • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

          Summary

          Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered 160,000 more Russians aged 18–30 be drafted from April 1 to July 15, amid U.S.-brokered ceasefire talks.

          Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned the Kremlin is preparing a major offensive in Sumy, Kharkiv, and Zaporizhzhia, accusing Russia of stalling negotiations to gain territorial leverage.

          Over 100,000 Russian soldiers are confirmed dead. Ukraine reported 46,000 dead and 380,000 wounded.

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          The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it's propaganda? or is it just that desperate?

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          • ksin@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

            The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it's propaganda? or is it just that desperate?

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            Maybe I should just Google it but... do you remember any specific cases of this pushback?

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              Maybe I should just Google it but... do you remember any specific cases of this pushback?

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              There were protests and hundred of thousands of young Russian men left the country after Putin announced the first "partial" mobilisation. The recruitment process was also botched and conscripted even the disabled and old.

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                Maybe I should just Google it but... do you remember any specific cases of this pushback?

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                This articles covers some interesting incidents and this wikipedia article is more exhaustive though covers the domestic anti-war events more broadly.

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                  And weaker Ukraine

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                  That's the only negative aspect about it

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                    Maybe I should just Google it but... do you remember any specific cases of this pushback?

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                    The amount of Russians leaving the country to avoid conscription was very high. You can't really hide that. There are stories of men being kept hidden to avoid the press gangs. But all of that is probably par for the course considering the amount of soldiers dying on foreign soil.

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                      As we all know, repeatedly drafting several divisions worth of men is a sign you're winning the war...

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                      Territorially? Yes, Russia is winning. But politically, economically and socially? Russia already lost. The deaths of thousands of soldiers in the face of Russia's demographic crisis will result fewer labour force, which means lower tax revenue. The Russian economy is in war footing and this is already causing inflation because of heightened government expenditure, and businesses struggling to pay the ever increasing wage demands of civilians, who replaced the jobs that would have been filled instead by soldiers from the front. With secondary sanctions, even Chinese banks are reluctant to lend to Russia. The future generations of Russians will be paying for the economic and social consequences of the war in Ukraine. In essence, Russia may be winning territorially, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory with generational consequences.

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                        Vlad should call his MAGA supporters to join his cause and it will fulfill their need for violence.

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                        From what I've seen on the reddit right-leaning subs most of them are very against the entire war and sending money/troops at all.

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                        • adespoton@lemmy.caA [email protected]

                          Ukraine is Russia’s Vietnam.

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                          Ukraine is Russia’s Mongol Invasion of Japan.

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                          • ksin@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

                            The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it's propaganda? or is it just that desperate?

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                            Both sides have resorted impressment to refill their ranks, regardless of public pushback men can still get bagged into a van on the street and sent to the front lines.

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                            • mapleengineer@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                              Russia isn't going to have any young men left.

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                              They have plenty here in America.

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                              • ksin@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

                                The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it's propaganda? or is it just that desperate?

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                                The Kremlin is confident that they will kill as many protesters as will be required to destroy any uprising.

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                                  Territorially? Yes, Russia is winning. But politically, economically and socially? Russia already lost. The deaths of thousands of soldiers in the face of Russia's demographic crisis will result fewer labour force, which means lower tax revenue. The Russian economy is in war footing and this is already causing inflation because of heightened government expenditure, and businesses struggling to pay the ever increasing wage demands of civilians, who replaced the jobs that would have been filled instead by soldiers from the front. With secondary sanctions, even Chinese banks are reluctant to lend to Russia. The future generations of Russians will be paying for the economic and social consequences of the war in Ukraine. In essence, Russia may be winning territorially, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory with generational consequences.

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                                  They still only have 20 percent of the country. After years. At this rate they will run out of people before Ukraine runs out of territory.

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                                  • ksin@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

                                    The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it's propaganda? or is it just that desperate?

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                                    effect of its* propaganda

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                                      Territorially? Yes, Russia is winning. But politically, economically and socially? Russia already lost. The deaths of thousands of soldiers in the face of Russia's demographic crisis will result fewer labour force, which means lower tax revenue. The Russian economy is in war footing and this is already causing inflation because of heightened government expenditure, and businesses struggling to pay the ever increasing wage demands of civilians, who replaced the jobs that would have been filled instead by soldiers from the front. With secondary sanctions, even Chinese banks are reluctant to lend to Russia. The future generations of Russians will be paying for the economic and social consequences of the war in Ukraine. In essence, Russia may be winning territorially, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory with generational consequences.

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                                      You are right and coming out of that war footing when all the bill are due? Diaster

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                                      • ksin@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

                                        This articles covers some interesting incidents and this wikipedia article is more exhaustive though covers the domestic anti-war events more broadly.

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                                        Ehh sorry. I assumed/hoped you were talking about something more, that I wasn't aware of. I know of these protests, but they were not nearly intense enough to disrupt the system. Much of the urban youth that might have led the protests has left the country in the meantime too, so I wouldn't be surprised if the next round of recruitment is met with even weaker resistance...

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                                        • ksin@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

                                          The last round of conscription was meet with uncharacteristically loud pushback from the russian public so pushing ahead with even more is interesting. Is the kremlin that confident in the effect of it's propaganda? or is it just that desperate?

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                                          The pushback was for the mobilisation, while this is a start of a routine conscription event, these happen twice every year

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