What do you do when people don't care?

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Especially at work, where you can't leave and should probably be focusing on the work.

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When I meet someone who doesn't care, I work twice as hard to fix things.

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There is so much you can do about it, here's a simple suggestion: promote open censorship-resistant communication systems like Lemmy.

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That is a particular subset. There are people who see nothing g bad happening to themselves, but do have their eyes open and see the bad things happening around them. But, again, they are ready and primed.

It is much the same as addiction counseling: until people are primed to change, there is little to do but leave your hand out stretched, not pushing any further than that.

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I love Jon Stewart but I think he's a little off base with this take. Are we supposed to not call out the overtly fascist stuff the government is doing? Will that get more people to listen the next time we have to call out an overtly fascistic act or will we have to hold our tongue then, as well? How many grannies need to be eaten and impersonated by wolves before we're allowed to move past the "ooh what sharp teeth you have" crap?

With fascism especially, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. The people going through life like everything is fine are implicitly supporting the fascism. I'm not going to stop yelling about how a pack of wolves has taken over the government, just because some people think the word is overused.

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To add to this, be sure to wait for the immediate pushback. Stay calm, and understand that this will be a slow burner. Kindness and repeated contacts to the change minds more than one off aggressive arguments.

People have a difficult time changing their points of view, and some people can feel lots of psychological pain during that process.

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I think what we're dealing with, in part, is a collective action problem. There's a lot of people who want to do something but either don't know what to do or don't agree on what to do. It's one way that a minority population can stay in power.

What an individual can do is miniscule compared to a crowd. Also, some people are willing to break laws to make change and others are not.

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I'm not being dismissive of their view, I understand the need for self-preservation. I think the crux of it is how do I get folks who agree things are going wrong to move from that space into one of more action? Almost everyone I'm talking to at work agrees with me, but no one is interested in organizing or preparing, and that's what baffles me most.

I don't know myself - I don't have some grand plan or idea. Im a regular person (albeit one with a better historical understanding of history due to education). I'm just scared about what's coming next, and I'm completely isolated at the end of the day. Rather than buy a bunch of guns and ammo, I would prefer to connect with folks to build mutual support, or to prepare to strike/protest/boycott (or whatever seems most effective at the time).

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I think there's a mixture of not believing Hitler-level nazi shit is happening until actual gas chambers are running, and a what can one person do anyway mentality. Frankly, I had high hopes of Trump being soundly defeated and that it would be the turning point in the collapse of MAGA. But if enough people couldn't be bothered to vote against him, I honestly think only having his long-overdue Big Mac Attack is going to stop him. Without him as a figurehead I think MAGA will self-destruct as all the self-centered orcs claw each other apart to get on top. But as long as he somehow keeps wasting oxygen I think we just have to hang on.

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I heard something on a radio show during Covid on how to talk to people who have "gone down the rabbit hole". It was discussing MAGA as a cult. The guest on the show was a woman who was raised in a cult in the 70's and she "got out" and spent her time talking with others in the cult to help them to break free. I can't find a reference to the show, but I think it was Carrie Miller hosting.

My takeaway was that you can't come at people and tell them that everything they know is wrong and you will show them the way. They'll fight you. You need to deprogram them similarly to how they were programmed into the cult. Small bits, here and there to slowly guide them to questioning their beliefs. Once that happens, show them how to research and seek out information and let them know that they will be safe.

If someone found a link to the podcast/radio show, I'd be super happy.

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Really? And what happens?

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This is as inspiring as it is terrifying.

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In the case of my mother, I instituted a no-politics rule in 2020. However, as of last week, I’m sending her accusatory emails about the various articles of his fucked up actions. I’ve decided that she is partially a bad person for having full info about who and what he is and chose not to know. I’m very angry and she’s going to keep hearing about it. The relationship might be over.

I know that doesn’t help your situation. I just needed to vent. As noted, I’m very angry. With her in particular. For choosing this again.

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Counterpoint, I grew up in a smallish town in Idaho and was still absolutely surrounded by Democrats. State wide, only sixty percent of the voting age population actually turned out, and of those one out of every three people voted against Trump.

Hell, Democrats outnumbered Republicans in some countries and again, this is fucking Idaho.

This means that if you talk to an a Idahoan at random, there is a more than fifty percent chance they either largely already agree with you, or they are largely insulated from and not paying attention to politics and thusly susceptible to being swayed with the right approach and concrete examples of what Trumps doing to fuck them and their friends over specifically.

Left wing ideas and policy are still far more popular among the general public, which is why Republicans have to lie about them constantly.

Look for your local anarchist bookstore, look at what your counties Democrats actually organized, especially things like local pride events, show up, and network/make friends.

As is fun to note, there are more Democrats living in Texas than New York state, so the idea you should just give up on finding any around you because you live in a red state instead of one where the numbers are reversed is honestly rather absurd.

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The Nazis started under MUCH different circumstances. Also constantly comparing everyone and everything to "Nazis" makes you sound hysterical.

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Ah yes, mob "justice" always works so well.

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Nobody is advocating for cross burning. People need to rise against the first steps of a totalitarian government that only serves the oligarchy.

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Work in medical too, but work in the lower sections with the blue collar workers while living in the bible belt. They're all Trump fans and think this is all great.

The best advice I have is find your people, the ones you know who've been against this (not the non-voters, they folded to apathy, and will fold when the going gets tough) and start working on survival plans. Gardens, mutual aid, mutual defense, how to hide those in danger ESPECIALLY if you're the cishet white guy. Build the community as best you can.

This is not some big overall "Fight the bastions to overthrow" but right now as a regular schmuck in the middle of nowhere, right now this is what we have.

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Great comment. Trump won and the amount of people here throwing the Nazi word around still don't realise how self defeating they are.

You can't tell someone their an idiot or evil and then expect them to see things your way, you're much more likely to end up entrenching their beliefs.

Engage, don't alienate, no matter how hard that feels at times.

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The only thing one person can do is get armed, get trained, and get ready.

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What do you do when people don't care?