What do you do when people don't care?

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Yes but like exercise, intellectual exercise feels good too.

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To help you finding an answer i'll return you the same question: why did you not care about US building concentration camps and following the fascist playbook until now?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment_and_arrest_of_Julian_Assange

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Do you know that they didn't?

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OP seem to be lamenting only about the "latest" US government policies.

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Not sure if youre gonna get blasted when everyone else gets on later, but you're correct. The US has always done shit like this. Obama and Biden spoiled these people lol.

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What a fucking stupid, useless reply.

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I would say that the initial problem here, is that people give a single shit what a 2000+ year old, bronze-age sex manual, has to say about literally fucking anything.

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What do you do when those people are your family?

Easier said than done (though recent events have made it a little easier).

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Yeah, it's kind of a bad take. Maybe we should teach people what the word actually means so that they can understand that the applies to everything they're doing*

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How were the circumstances "MUCH different"? Do you think the Nazis happened overnight? Are you not aware of who they targeted first (trans people)?

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In many ways he's a unique figure. When he entered the political scene in his first campaign. The establishment republicans and conservatives didn't appear to think he'd really become a serious force. They were wrong. His ideological opponents also seemed to think he was too silly, and too extreme to be taken seriously and his domination of the right, albeit surprising, was anomalous and would never translate to electoral victory. They were also wrong. He seemed not to know how to play the game properly and was too foolish even to realise it. He probably wouldn't have been the first whack job to fail to heed his advisors and PR team and would surely fail like all of them. Viewed in that light his somehow successful manoeuvres could seem only baffling than inspired, like watching someone win at roulette by just always betting one colour. This gives his rising successes a spooky and uncanny air and not something his rivals or opponents could simply emulate themselves because when a normal person does this they just lose.

If he'd had that final Big Mac attack in 2015 or maybe even as late as 2016, his brand of politics and the movement it seems to have inspired might have died with him but sadly it looks like now, plenty of proteges will be there to pick up the reigns. For all that can be said of the man, it appears he tapped in to and unleashed something that was waiting for its time and it's unlikely even his death will put that genie back in its bottle. The next in line might be a shrewd and clever cynic, who's studied the MAGA playbook and will exploit it to the hilt to grasp power for their own ends with no belief in the irrational or fantastical elements of this new orthodoxy. It might be an actual true believer, straight from the ranks of the deranged and mentally disturbed that Trump previously manipulated, now believing they're seeing the many real and imagined prophecies Trump used to rile them coming true. Maybe it'll be something in between, someone more like Trump himself with what seems to be more of an instinctive knack for playing these emboldened fanatics rather than a geniusly thought out strategy, they'll sometimes believe what they're saying sometimes not, a value system infinitely malleable, but reliably selfish. Either way Trump being dead will be a relief for little more than a day and after that you can either look forward to an heir apparent who'll keep it all going or a dangerous power struggle between dangerous people happy to expend lives and treasure to pick up the mantle.

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That's 100% true and a fault in OP's attempt, but the broader question remains, if some people don't seek it out, what do you do then?

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Sure, but part of the problem then is that you have to convince them of that, and that’s even harder than arguing and using the Bible as at least part of your premise

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They're*

The thing is, a lot of these people are literally Nazis, and I'm starting to wonder if it was "people saying Nazi too much" or it was actually "there was a fuckton of Nazis and no one took people saying that seriously and now there's Nazis around and people are blaming the folks who were warning others about the Nazis for not seeing Nazis soon enough"

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Try making friends first, or at least understanding them. If you aren't willing or capable of doing that you are just going to make things worse.

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You could start by engaging and reaching out. For example, assuming someone doesn't care because of their race, gender identity and job is kinda shitty. Maybe look into those internal biases.

The next part would be finding out how they are and will be effected by this new presidency. Sometimes people have a hard time caring about a problem if it doesn't affect them directly. You might have to get to know your coworkers rather than make assumptions about them to learn this.

Being polite and nice to them also helps, no one wants to hear from someone who's screaming at them.

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The US has always crossed lines when it comes to treatment of prisoners, but this is different and you know it. Traditionally the US has always been an oligarchy masquerading as a democracy in order to claim legitimacy. Now in under two weeks the Trusk regime has completely restructured everything in an effort to turn all instructions into a manifestation of their will. Mark my words, if you don't see the difference now, you will soon.

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I've seen some leftist arguments that were denser than lead, this ain't that. Let me rephrase for them, though:

Stop allowing social media fart sniffing contests frame how you approach activism.

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Perhaps you can find inspiration from Daryl Davis, who convinced 200 Klansmen to give up their robes.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes

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