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Why would'nt this work?

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  • macgyver@federation.redM [email protected]

    Okay for a thought experiment what if it’s a perfect element incapable of that?

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    "Ok, well, humans can't just teleport wherever they want, but what if they could?"

    well, then they could, I guess.

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      The punching-through should start at the point of impact, since that end of the pole and that spot on the wall pole both know about the collision at that moment, and then the information travels back through the pole. So I think the front end of the pole would start breaking through the wall immediately, while the information about the impact is still traveling back through the pole. For that reason I think the front end of the pole might end up sticking farther out of the barn than the back end, because it has more time to so it. Would be interesting math, which I've never tried to figure out.

      There can't be infinite deceleration, for the same reason that the back end of the pole can't instantly know the front end has run into the wall. Deceleration travels back through the length of the pole as its atoms squish up against the atoms in front of them and slow down.

      Interesting for sure!

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      There can’t be infinite deceleration,

      I realise I should have been more specific.
      Considering the pusher as a point object, deceleration of the pusher be infinite. Just another simplification so that you don't have to calculate what would happen to all the speeds in between.

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      • maxmalrichtig@discuss.tchncs.deM [email protected]

        That's a great guess when you try to answer the problem with traditional (Newtonian) physics. However, space and time do not behave in a way we would expect when we go nearly at light speed. So Newtonian laws do not apply in the same sense anymore.

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        Hmmm. Is there an answer/solution to the problem?

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          Nah, I prefer using quantum spookiness for that. Send a steady stream of entangled particles to the other person on the moon first. Any time you do something to the particles on Earth, the ones on the Moon are affected also. The catch is that this disentangles them, so you have only a few limited uses. This is why you want a constant stream of them being entangled.

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          Any time you do something to the particles on Earth, the ones on the Moon are affected also

          The no-communication theorem already proves that manipulating one particle in an entangled pair has no impact at al on another. The proof uses the reduced density matrices of the particles which capture both their probabilities of showing up in a particular state as well as their coherence terms which capture their ability to exhibit interference effects. No change you can make to one particle in an entangled pair can possibly lead to an alteration of the reduced density matrix of the other particle.

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