Switch 2 mouse mode (such potential)
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The Switch 2 footage of Elden Ring did look better than what I can get out of my Steam Deck. I wouldn't be surprised if it has a performance advantage (perhaps thanks to native DLSS and frame generation) for the next year or two.
I mean with those price tags you expect games to look better. Anything else would be ridiculous.
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It‘s interesting they abandoned physical media completely and nobody is talking about it. This makes them a direct competitor to Steam and well… let‘s just say I don‘t see 90% discounts in the Nintendo shop any time soon.
I don‘t see 90% discounts in the Nintendo shop
Not 1st party sure, but there is a weekly deal cycle where 3rd party publishers compete to stand out.
https://www.dekudeals.com/games?filter[platform]=switch&filter[format]=digital
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With the official reveal of the mouse mode for the Switch 2's controllers there is the potential for so many classic games to flood the console.
Imagine what it could do with graphical adventure games, RTS games, management sims, etc.
We already know CIV VII will use the mouse, and I just hope this is just the beginning for a whole range of traditionally non-console games to finally make it to the platform.
It's a funny gimmick but all the competitors already have support mouse and keyboard.
You can also use them in some games like Sims 4 or Cities: Skylines.But guess this mouse mode could also encourage 3rd party developers to add mouse and keyboard support for their games on consoles.
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So... its $50 more than an LCD, 256 GB Steam Deck (the Switch 2 is also LCD).
A Deck has two touchpads that work as mice.
And you can buy a real mouse with those $50 bucks you saved.
Oh right and it has a bigger screen, can run almost every modern to ancient PC game, and basically every retro game if you can handle an EmuDeck or RetroDeck guided installer, oh and it also just is a computer that does everything a mid tier linux laptop can do.
It can even run Switch games, and probably will be able to run Switch 2 games in... what, 2 years? 3 years?
I'm really not trying to rain on the parade here, but uh... yeah I do not understand the cost benefit analysis on a Switch 2 vs a Deck unless:
You really, really want to play Switch 2 games soon
OR
The Switch 2 somehow has vastly superior performance to a Steam Deck
... I kinda doubt that last one being the case, but the specs aren't out yet (afaik) so I guess it is possible.
From my 12y old kids perspective:
The switch 2 plays fortnite and Mario kart. The steamdeck doesn't.
There is no difficult choice for him.
He doesn't give a fuck about anything else. Neither do his friends.
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I agree with everything except #5. If you want to play couch multiplayer for the switch with two people you’re set with the tiny joycons. If you want any comfort playing those games you’re investing in at LEAST as many controllers as you have couch players and the same can be said about the deck. But the Deck has options and years of hardware options that are far more inexpensive than the $90 joycons or $80 pro controllers at launch. Given time I’m sure there may be options for the S2 but I think the Deck has far more inexpensive options for multiplayer.
That said, the deck dock is expensive so maybe my argument is entirely moot.
A 10usd Chinese knockoff Bluetooth controller works well enough for multi-player. The true little brother experience is to play with the shitty controller.
For the steam deck, you'd have to buy 2 controllers (potentially both shitty), so the benefit for the switch is still there.
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$90 per game. That's an instant deal breaker.
Yeah... I was thinking about getting my first Nintendo console, but these prices are ridiculous even if it's "only" $80 for a digital game.
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I don‘t see 90% discounts in the Nintendo shop
Not 1st party sure, but there is a weekly deal cycle where 3rd party publishers compete to stand out.
https://www.dekudeals.com/games?filter[platform]=switch&filter[format]=digital
That's something at least. Now Nintendo needs to actually advertise their shop and those deals instead of yet another wave of retro ports.
Though it's probably worth mentioning I'm not going to buy a Switch 2 anyway. I'm more of an observer from the PC gaming sidelines.
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It apes what lenovo already did and will be equally janky if not worse. At least it comes bundled with the console, but, meh.
Meh is my reaction, mostly if the games are $80 USD.
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Meh is my reaction, mostly if the games are $80 USD.
Predicted to hit 90$. That is batshit insane.
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Predicted to hit 90$. That is batshit insane.
And I'm Canadian, so it's already almost $105... We're talking $120 if it goes to 90 USD. Noooo thanks.
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From my 12y old kids perspective:
The switch 2 plays fortnite and Mario kart. The steamdeck doesn't.
There is no difficult choice for him.
He doesn't give a fuck about anything else. Neither do his friends.
Yeah I think Lemmy often forgets that kids exist and are the target audience for Nintendo games. I say good for them, it might be hella expensive but at least Nintendo appears to be providing a "safe" place for kids to use the internet. There's really nothing for kids anymore these days other than getting an eating disorder on tiktok.
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From my 12y old kids perspective:
The switch 2 plays fortnite and Mario kart. The steamdeck doesn't.
There is no difficult choice for him.
He doesn't give a fuck about anything else. Neither do his friends.
Yep, I already said the Switch 2 makes sense if all you care about is playing Switch 2 games.
I am not trying to aruge that the Deck is just hands down, inherently superior in all cases, for everyone.
I hope there's a way for you to put parental controls on your 12 yo's Fortnite account's ability to buy microtransactions, and that you have enough time to teach them how to identify and disregard all the dark patterns in the game that encourage irresponsible spending habits, as well as resist all the social peer pressure that comes with an MTX heavy game.
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With the official reveal of the mouse mode for the Switch 2's controllers there is the potential for so many classic games to flood the console.
Imagine what it could do with graphical adventure games, RTS games, management sims, etc.
We already know CIV VII will use the mouse, and I just hope this is just the beginning for a whole range of traditionally non-console games to finally make it to the platform.
I can't wait for it to be a thing that only a small handful of actually good 3rd party titles use that feature and the rest are gonna be 1st party titles shoehorning it in to say "Look at our fancy new feature we swear nobody has ever done before! Trust me!".
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With the official reveal of the mouse mode for the Switch 2's controllers there is the potential for so many classic games to flood the console.
Imagine what it could do with graphical adventure games, RTS games, management sims, etc.
We already know CIV VII will use the mouse, and I just hope this is just the beginning for a whole range of traditionally non-console games to finally make it to the platform.
Am I the only one thinking that a huge chunk of the audience are Nintendo adults who have a pc for main games and a switch on the side?
Feels like this gimmick (although every new Nintendo console gets one) was so forced just to upsell a switch 1 and justify splitting the community with exclusive releases. Really sad to see mk world not playable with a player base on switch 1. Most next gen were happily bought enough with a reasoning in increasing hardware (which the switch 2 really also does well).
Just the predatory move of splitting or even passively force the playerbase to leave behind the switch 1, makes the mouse sensor so MEH.. I mean.. lackluster in my eyes. Idk
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It‘s interesting they abandoned physical media completely and nobody is talking about it. This makes them a direct competitor to Steam and well… let‘s just say I don‘t see 90% discounts in the Nintendo shop any time soon.
Nintendo shop regularly runs deals similar to steam. Usually at around the same times of year. Same with PlayStation. I run games on all three platforms. You have to be kind of a sucker these days to buy a game at full price when it's first released. But none of what I said makes $80 games reasonably priced.
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A 10usd Chinese knockoff Bluetooth controller works well enough for multi-player. The true little brother experience is to play with the shitty controller.
For the steam deck, you'd have to buy 2 controllers (potentially both shitty), so the benefit for the switch is still there.
So buy 2 $10 controllers for the steam deck and still save money since the switch costs $50 more to begin with.
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Am I the only one thinking that a huge chunk of the audience are Nintendo adults who have a pc for main games and a switch on the side?
Feels like this gimmick (although every new Nintendo console gets one) was so forced just to upsell a switch 1 and justify splitting the community with exclusive releases. Really sad to see mk world not playable with a player base on switch 1. Most next gen were happily bought enough with a reasoning in increasing hardware (which the switch 2 really also does well).
Just the predatory move of splitting or even passively force the playerbase to leave behind the switch 1, makes the mouse sensor so MEH.. I mean.. lackluster in my eyes. Idk
Sure but the switch is 10 year old hardware. You know what else was released at that time? The iPhone 6s....do you currently use an iPhone 6s?
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From my 12y old kids perspective:
The switch 2 plays fortnite and Mario kart. The steamdeck doesn't.
There is no difficult choice for him.
He doesn't give a fuck about anything else. Neither do his friends.
Problem is, the steam deck plays both of those things. Steam deck just needs windows for fartnight
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From my 12y old kids perspective:
The switch 2 plays fortnite and Mario kart. The steamdeck doesn't.
There is no difficult choice for him.
He doesn't give a fuck about anything else. Neither do his friends.
It’s not just 12 year old kids either; this is how most people in the console market make their decisions. They prioritize the availability of games on the console over the hardware’s specifications and operating system.
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Yeah... I was thinking about getting my first Nintendo console, but these prices are ridiculous even if it's "only" $80 for a digital game.
Bro, Mario 64 is the same game as Mario Sunshine is the same game as Mario galaxy is the same game as Mario Odyssey. Just get a cheaper console. Done.
