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Big Tech Wants You Trapped. The Open Web Sets You Free

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  • F [email protected]

    Trolls, bots, and scammers make them necessary, at a minimum, and then the subliminal messaging from the cronies of politicians, etc. make them welcome. Bots are easier to make than ever before so you can't compare the past with the present that easily. kbin.social died last year because of relentless spam bots posting garbage/malware links 100x/sec.

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    Computer bots always act a certain predictable way. You can filter out most bots easily based on time-based filters or other algorithms. The rest should not be moderated, except for illegal things like selling weapons, drugs, or hiring a hitman.

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      Computer bots always act a certain predictable way. You can filter out most bots easily based on time-based filters or other algorithms. The rest should not be moderated, except for illegal things like selling weapons, drugs, or hiring a hitman.

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      That hasn’t been true for a long time. Filtering bots has increasingly become more difficult, expensive, and sophisticated. Not to mention that there are still plenty of state sponsored bad actors using real people and hybrid approaches.

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        Computer bots always act a certain predictable way. You can filter out most bots easily based on time-based filters or other algorithms. The rest should not be moderated, except for illegal things like selling weapons, drugs, or hiring a hitman.

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        And the extremism follow.

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          Why moderation? The old internet didn't have moderation. Why does everyone feel the need for moderation?

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          What? The old internet absolutely had moderation, even back in the day of BBS.

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            I tried Bluesky for while but honestly I like Mastadon and Lemmy better. I'm also testing LOOPS (tiktok replacement) which is from the same creator as Pixelfed. There's something comforting using decentralized platforms that are safe from Government and Corporate intervention

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            • moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.comM [email protected]

              Any great app on Android for mastodon?

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              I use Tusky and am satisfied, maybe there are better apps idk

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                prevent communities from becoming echo chambers

                I suspect this will still become a problem since we can subscribe to whichever communities we like and vice versa.

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                @Flagstaff @gunpachi I'm not sure echo chambers are inherently a bad thing. My real life is a carefully crafted echo chamber of people I like to spend time with (which conveniently includes my family). The problem comes when we get *all* our information from that echo chamber.

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                  prevent communities from becoming echo chambers

                  I suspect this will still become a problem since we can subscribe to whichever communities we like and vice versa.

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                  It is a feature, not a problem.

                  I have, like, this whole rich life offline. My curated list of instances and communities (plus my user block list) is just my entertainment and a small portion of my day.

                  You may not believe this but I have numerous thoughts, activities and interactions that never leave a trace online. I have no obligation to drink from the firehose that is being pumped from the septic tank of the human psyche.

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                  • moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.comM [email protected]

                    Any great app on Android for mastodon?

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                    I've been using Moshidon. One day I'll find an app as good as Ivory on iOS, but in the meantime Moshidon is fine.

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                      It is incredibly frustrating to see for example Ursula Von der Leyen preaching "EU STRONG" stuff on fucking shitter. Really? This is your way of showing how strong the EU is and we shouldn't or can't rely on USA? By posting your I'm strong message on the precise platform the US chief nazification officer owns? FFS.

                      If all EU governments together decide to ditch shitter and move to mastodon instances, media follows. It's a pretty cheap measure to implement, too.

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                      Hard agree! I do think fediverse platforms are perfect for public entities to disseminate information.

                      I’m US based so my example is say a county. They already have the IT infrastructure and staff. Make an instance for the county and a community for each department.

                      The road department can post road closures and upcoming traffic diversions. The parks department can promote events, etc.

                      These type of instances can just disable comments. They are read-only so moderation is not needed.

                      It’s trivial from a resource perspective and even easier than updating a website.

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                      • scripthook@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                        I tried Bluesky for while but honestly I like Mastadon and Lemmy better. I'm also testing LOOPS (tiktok replacement) which is from the same creator as Pixelfed. There's something comforting using decentralized platforms that are safe from Government and Corporate intervention

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                        If only we had more content not related to "look we're free!", "look Linux is freedom", "free free free!", "MAGA bad, but we're independent and free!", it would be even more awesome (not a pun to your side, just a piece of frustration)

                        Also, for those saying "create it yourself" - I do

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                        • gunpachi@lemmings.worldG [email protected]

                          I hope more active users move to the fediverse. That way we will have a lot of variety in content and can also potentially prevent communities from becoming echo chambers. I suppose moderation will also have to be taken up a notch for these changes to actually have a positive effect.

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                          Also, more active users means more niche communities. I just realized there’s a Severance community that is medium active. One less thing I need Reddit for.

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                            Also, more active users means more niche communities. I just realized there’s a Severance community that is medium active. One less thing I need Reddit for.

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                            What! My outie loves Severance.

                            I can’t locate this community using search on the term ‘severance’.

                            Do you mind sharing the instance and community name?

                            Praise Kier!

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                              What! My outie loves Severance.

                              I can’t locate this community using search on the term ‘severance’.

                              Do you mind sharing the instance and community name?

                              Praise Kier!

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                              Come join the music/dance experience!

                              https://lemmy.world/c/severance

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                              • moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.comM [email protected]

                                Any great app on Android for mastodon?

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                                fedilab ☞ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/fr.gouv.etalab.mastodon/

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                                • flisty@mstdn.socialF [email protected]

                                  @Flagstaff @gunpachi I'm not sure echo chambers are inherently a bad thing. My real life is a carefully crafted echo chamber of people I like to spend time with (which conveniently includes my family). The problem comes when we get *all* our information from that echo chamber.

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                                  I agree with what you are saying. What I really meant is that every community should have some amount of people who think differently and see things from a different perspective. This can help widen the variety of posts, comments and even sources used for citations.

                                  For instance, here on lemmy I've noticed a tendency for people to see things from a political viewpoint and don't hesitate to start a flame war in the comments. Maybe the average user will feel more welcome to express their opinions if they see that the existing users are open minded. Thankfully most communities I'm a part of are very nice, more so than their reddit counterparts.

                                  P.S: forgive me if there are any logical inconsistencies in my comment. I might be a little intoxicated.

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                                    Also, more active users means more niche communities. I just realized there’s a Severance community that is medium active. One less thing I need Reddit for.

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                                    Niche communities are awesome ! Sadly reddit is still the king in this aspect.

                                    Maybe in a few years lemmy will reach that level or even surpass it... One can dream.

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                                      I tried Bluesky for while but honestly I like Mastadon and Lemmy better. I'm also testing LOOPS (tiktok replacement) which is from the same creator as Pixelfed. There's something comforting using decentralized platforms that are safe from Government and Corporate intervention

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                                      I like that it feels more like the web when I was younger, smaller communities usually with a more specific topic, run by a person or small group.

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                                      • gunpachi@lemmings.worldG [email protected]

                                        I hope more active users move to the fediverse. That way we will have a lot of variety in content and can also potentially prevent communities from becoming echo chambers. I suppose moderation will also have to be taken up a notch for these changes to actually have a positive effect.

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                                        Echo chambers are not bad when the echo is due to the majority opinions being in favor of basic human rights and equality. Giving voice to those that spew hate is not conducive to going anywhere except a circle.

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                                          I've been using Moshidon. One day I'll find an app as good as Ivory on iOS, but in the meantime Moshidon is fine.

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                                          I'll second moshidon. It gets bonus points for letting you see your followed hashtags. Or something like that. There's something with hashtags that you can't do in the web browser that you can do with apps. Moshidon does that thing.

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