How do you look upon the future in regards of climat change? How do you imagine your life in the coming distopie?
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the complete scheme of temperature fluctuations
That peak during the Eocene is an interesting thing to study in the context of this question. Wikipedia's got some good articles: Early Eocene Climactic Optimum and Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum.
In a nutshell, IMO; it wasn't all that bad in the grand scheme of things. There were some extinctions but life carried on and some of it did quite well.
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
Honestly? I'm not ready to give into some kind of fatalistic view that each 0.1°C difference isn't worth fighting for.
There are a few areas where we might see huge improvement in a short amount of time. With car electrification, we saw electric cars go from something like 0% of the global market to 20% of new cars in just 10 years. Meanwhile, the decarbonization of electric grids is happening at a rapid pace, too, with solar and wind representing a huge percentage of newly installed capacity.
And some game changing technologies are right around the corner. Grid scale battery storage is turning into a significant part of managing daily demand, and might soon become an important part of managing seasonal demand. Dispatchable advanced geothermal (using the oil and gas's fracking/horizontal drilling techniques to dig new hydrothermal sources) is right around the corner. And it's not exactly imminent, but researchers are making advances in fusion power.
If energy becomes cheap enough, carbon capture for net zero fuels becomes economical, too. That opens the floodgates for trucking, maritime, and aviation uses. Excess power generation at certain times of day can be used for the less time sensitive energy consumption: treating water, manufacturing certain chemicals, charging batteries, heating and cooling some kind of thermal storage system, etc.
Plus, cynically, indoor heating is a much larger driver of fossil fuel consumption than indoor cooling, so a warming planet kinda reduces overall emissions from indoor climate control.
And the thing with all of these factors I'm naming is that these don't rely on governments to enforce sacrifices by industry or commerce. The pricing has already fallen in line so that the cleanest option is the cheapest option. Policy can nudge things, but actually engineering improvement through price signals is going to create much bigger change: you don't need the government to shut down a coal plant when the power plant simply can't produce electricity cheap enough to turn a profit.
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
It will be increasingly important to have access to buildings able to withstand extreme climate events and have access to climatisation. Maybe our diet will change a bit. Surely there will be an impact on the vegetation, animals, and diseases.
For some parts of the world the future will be mass emigration and conflicts around resources.
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Doing my part to stop the spread of humanity by not having kids. I don’t really care what the future holds. The planet’s fine and will be so much better off without us (c’mon, meteor!) and I’m still pretty confident that the oligarchs will get what’s coming to them. Or their offspring will get what was coming for their parents. Regardless, that’s something to live for…
Same. I feel better about my vasectomy each day.
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The "current path" scenario tends to assume we can maintain/grow the rate of carbon emissions indefinitely.
However, the short term disruption of COVID demonstrated an immediate and pronounced drop in temperature based almost entirely around the reduction of industrial transportation (planes and cars, primarily) and subsequent drop in electricity demands due to a decline in global commerce.
I see people insisting on the apocalyptic scenario while simultaneously clinging to this notion that we can keep cramming more particulate into the atmosphere unabated forever. It can't be both.
They have multiple scenarios though.
Page 571 of https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/climate-change-2021-the-physical-science-basis/future-global-climate-scenariobased-projections-and-nearterm-information/309359EDDCFABB031C078AE20CEE04FDExplanation of SSP:
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Same, but Coronal Mass Ejection
Same, but gamma ray burst.
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They have multiple scenarios though.
Page 571 of https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/climate-change-2021-the-physical-science-basis/future-global-climate-scenariobased-projections-and-nearterm-information/309359EDDCFABB031C078AE20CEE04FDExplanation of SSP:
That's certainly better. But they all describe themselves in terms of high or low population growth.
What happens when we mix low rates of reproduction with shrinking life expectancy. China and Japan are both experiencing population decline, while Europe is scheduled to join them in another decade.
Countries facing harsh environmental or hostile military environments have seen even worse outcomes. Between 1991 and 2015, Ukraine lost 20% of its population. The war has only accelerated this trend.
Gaza is on track to lose over 50% of it's population, relative to 2023, before the end of the year. Libya, Syria, and Yemen are facing similar plights.
The US is also in the early stages of a manufactured population crash, with drastic shifts in domestic policy curbing immigration sharply, spiking infant/maternal mortality, and ratcheting the risk of infectious disease spread. This, after COVID cleared over a million excess deaths inside two years.
SP1 and SP3 both posit slow population growth. But neither posit the consequences of a more rapid and economically turbulent decline.
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I understand not WANTING everything to end at any given time, but it also just seems like the perfect solution to EVERY problem.
this is called 'suicidal thoughts'
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
Wildfire season becomes a thing on the East Coast as Canadian forests burn. People start spending more time indoors in the summer because of it.
The bad time of year shifts from winter to summer as snow becomes rarer and heat waves become common.
Coastal cities near me either harden their coasts or design their cities to not flood. Major tunnels are retrofitted to allow for saltwater intrusion with minimal damage.
More multigenerational homes form as retirees in Florida become climate refugees as several Florida metro areas collapse due to the increased number of hurricanes. They don't call themselves refugees, though.
Several state parks form in the region, created as the state buys out entire communities to intentionally create new freshwater wetlands.
Areas that don't flood see rapid densification as property values skyrocket and single family homes are pushed into apartment buildings like the urbanization of cities in the 19th century.
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this is called 'suicidal thoughts'
Is it?
I wouldn't be the one doing the killing, so I don't think it should count as suicide.
But, I really don't know. Just seems like it should be a different term. Extinctual thoughts, maybe?
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
The last decade has shown us how stupid humans are and how unprepared we are for the complex future that awaits us.
We're fucked.
Enjoy what you can, while you can.
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Ignorantly believing there will be minimal consequences to our unplanned terraform is why we are in this mess. The problem is not simply "climate change". Ecological collapse is a much larger concern. We are significantly altering the chemistry of the entire biosphere; the atmosphere, land and ocean with literally thousands of chemical compounds. We have killed off ~70% of the natural worlds macroscopic organisms over the last 50-100 years, and are already at the point where 95+% of all animal biomass is our livestock. We consider species "not endangered" if there are like 10k of them. Does 10k humans isolated to one geography sound like a healthy, extinction-resistant population?
It's not gonna be 2.7c by 2100. It will be 3-4c. We were told we wouldn't hit 1.5c until ~2035 and we're already there — as I've believed for over a decade, because I actually listen to scientists instead of fossil-fuel-operated political orgs like the IPCC — and we're on track to blow past 2c before 2050. ~25% of all Co2 ever emitted was in the last ~15 years, and another ~25% will be emitted in the next ~15. We can't predict compounding feedback loops we know little about, or any of the many unknown unknowns that are guaranteed to exist.
I'm not saying the world will definitely be a "Mad Max inferno of devastation and death" — the entire natural world has already been through the majority phase of "devastation and death" — but everyone living today would almost certainly consider 2100 to be a dystopia.
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Is it?
I wouldn't be the one doing the killing, so I don't think it should count as suicide.
But, I really don't know. Just seems like it should be a different term. Extinctual thoughts, maybe?
I think it still counts.
Passive suicidal ideation is thinking about not wanting to live or imagining being dead.
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
I can imagine it sabbotaging some very basic thing that our society currently takes for granted (like growing crops) and then even just baseline functioning at our current level would become much harder, causing a global recession.
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Ignorantly believing there will be minimal consequences to our unplanned terraform is why we are in this mess. The problem is not simply "climate change". Ecological collapse is a much larger concern. We are significantly altering the chemistry of the entire biosphere; the atmosphere, land and ocean with literally thousands of chemical compounds. We have killed off ~70% of the natural worlds macroscopic organisms over the last 50-100 years, and are already at the point where 95+% of all animal biomass is our livestock. We consider species "not endangered" if there are like 10k of them. Does 10k humans isolated to one geography sound like a healthy, extinction-resistant population?
It's not gonna be 2.7c by 2100. It will be 3-4c. We were told we wouldn't hit 1.5c until ~2035 and we're already there — as I've believed for over a decade, because I actually listen to scientists instead of fossil-fuel-operated political orgs like the IPCC — and we're on track to blow past 2c before 2050. ~25% of all Co2 ever emitted was in the last ~15 years, and another ~25% will be emitted in the next ~15. We can't predict compounding feedback loops we know little about, or any of the many unknown unknowns that are guaranteed to exist.
I'm not saying the world will definitely be a "Mad Max inferno of devastation and death" — the entire natural world has already been through the majority phase of "devastation and death" — but everyone living today would almost certainly consider 2100 to be a dystopia.
Whoever said the consequences would be "minimal?" I'm saying they won't be apocalyptic. It's not the literal end of the world, as so many people are fretting about. People are deciding not to have children because they think humanity's going to go extinct in a generation or two.
I'm not saying the world will definitely be a "Mad Max inferno of devastation and death"
Well there you go, then.
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People are not having kids because they believe their children will be worse off than they are; that persistent inflation, natural disasters, famine, resource wars, actual wars, austerity, mass migrations, fascism/feudalism are all but guaranteed for a majority of humanity over the next century.
Barely anyone believes or cares about us going completely extinct.
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
wrote last edited by [email protected]Sea rising by 2100 is proyected on 0.6 meters.
And sea rising predictions made in the 90s haven't been the more accurate.
The harmful consequences of climate change have more to do with desertification, hotter summers, more energetic storms. And of course the fear of breaking some oceanic current and send Europe into an ice age.
In general is hard to say what will be that thing that will make people say "ok, we really fucked up". As it's incredibly hard to predict the consequences of such a fast climate variation. Sea level rise was the jam in the 90s early 00s but as predictions fall short on that front and even the worse numbers doesn't look like mass migration number for a few centuries at least, worries are more focused on other things that could happen.
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Stop straw manning, nobody said it will be the apocalypse or the end of the world, they said it would be a dystopia or at the very least pretty shitty to what we have right now.
This is like telling a Roman as the empire is falling: "don't worry it's not the end of the world, sure a barbarian horde might come through every couple years raping, burning and pillaging, but you'll survive"
Natural disasters are gonna get worse, famine and food insecurity are gonna become more common, mass migration causes a lot of social strife. Again going back to the roman example a large reason for the fall was the huns moving into Europe causing cascading migrations that destroyed the empire. All of this sounds pretty dystopic to me, maybe not mad max levels, but definitely parable of the power levels.
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Stop straw manning, nobody said it will be the apocalypse or the end of the world, they said it would be a dystopia or at the very least pretty shitty to what we have right now.
This is like telling a Roman as the empire is falling: "don't worry it's not the end of the world, sure a barbarian horde might come through every couple years raping, burning and pillaging, but you'll survive"
Natural disasters are gonna get worse, famine and food insecurity are gonna become more common, mass migration causes a lot of social strife. Again going back to the roman example a large reason for the fall was the huns moving into Europe causing cascading migrations that destroyed the empire. All of this sounds pretty dystopic to me, maybe not mad max levels, but definitely parable of the power levels.
There are people literally rooting for human extinction in this very thread.
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Is it?
I wouldn't be the one doing the killing, so I don't think it should count as suicide.
But, I really don't know. Just seems like it should be a different term. Extinctual thoughts, maybe?
It definitely is. It's a mental health problem, not a valid environmental or political take.
