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Why Won't the Media Mention Israel's Nukes?

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  • B [email protected]

    we really should have some deal to allow Iran to have access to nuclear power under supervision

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    trump departed from that agreement.

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    • B [email protected]

      There are other countries too that unofficially have nukes

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing

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      They don't have nukes as such. They are prepositioned US owned nukes that remain under the custody of the USAF. The part of the base where the nukes are stored is strictly off limits to local personnel.

      What makes them "shared", is that they are intended to be dropped by planes owned by the host country, and both the government of the host country as well as the US government need to give their authorization to activate and use them.

      So you may as well just consider them as US nukes.

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      • M [email protected]

        What’s MSM?
        MSN?

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        mainstream media, basically all news on networks.

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        • L [email protected]

          being persecuted for decades/centuries priors helps shield them from any criticism, because they can claim anti-semitism every time.

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          The persecution isn't even theirs. Sure they'd likely have relatives affected by the Holocaust of WW2, but these are the the Jewish people who were rich enough to escape it.
          Actual Holocaust of WW2 survivors live under the poverty line in Isn'treal.

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          • deflated0ne@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

            Iran needs nukes to defend itself from a nuclear armed aggressor. Everyone needs nukes for that reason. Greenland needs nukes to protect itself from the US.

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            Greenland is part of Denmark, which is part of NATO and the EU. That means they technically have UK's, France's, and the US's nukes.

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              Israel doesn’t seem to be using its nuclear arsenal as a deterrent for invasion.

              So it's just a coincidence that no neighboring country has threatened them with outright military invasion since they got nukes?

              And when has Iran ever threatened to use a bomb against Israel? They deny they're even trying to get a bomb. Do their politicians like to say, "death to Israel?" Sure, but that's just part of their discourse. The Iranians use "death to" as a synonym for "down with." They say the same thing during political campaigns against opposing political candidates.

              An Iranian bomb would stabilize the situation because the same pattern has occurred in numerous other conflicts. Yes, nukes don't prevent conventional wars, but they do prevent total war between nuclear powers. Russia would have never attempted its invasion of Ukraine if Ukraine still had their nukes. India and Pakistan's arsenals are what kept the recent conflict between them from spiraling further than it did.

              You can speculate that nukes wouldn't prevent further expansion of Israel, but that's ahistorical analysis. Having an opponent that is just as well armed as you are makes you act more carefully. The Soviets didn't just keep expanding across Europe, precisely because the US had the bomb to hold them in check. Israel has been able to act with such impunity because ultimately none of its neighbors can stand up to it. It's only when some of Israel's neighbors actually have nukes, and they have to address their neighbors as equals, that peace is actually possible. As long as one side holds complete military dominance, real peace isn't possible.

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              So it's just a coincidence that no neighboring country has threatened them with outright military invasion since they got nukes?

              I mean, haven't they?

              And when has Iran ever threatened to use a bomb against Israel?

              The IAEA cites several officials that have stated that Iran is able to manufacture nuclear weapons, and pundits on state tv have threatened Israel with total destruction and "annihilation". It doesn't take much to put two and two together. They're overt threats, but threats nonetheless.

              The Soviets didn't just keep expanding across Europe, precisely because the US had the bomb to hold them in check.

              This ignores the many proxy wars the US and USSR fought in many regions. I wouldn't necessarily call that very stabilizing. Meanwhile the theory that wars won't be declared between nuclear powers is actively being tested by several states at the moment, prodding and probing nuclear-capable alliances to test where the boundary lies.

              Results achieved in the past do not guarantee success in the future.

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