Plex now want to SELL your personal data
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I’ve had a lifetime plex pass for several years. Once I tried Jellyfin a few months ago it was all over. My “I’ll run both just in case” period lasted a week or two.
The downside is that Jellyfin will take more setup on your end, especially if you want to let other people connect securely to your server.
The upside is performance and responsiveness. Once I started using it I decided Plex had to go, even if I have to drive to each family member’s house to fix their shit. It was like moving between Linux and Windows, as far as one being designed to work and the other being designed to satisfy dozens of corporate KPIs.
Fortunately the setup for the end user is just as simple once your server is good to go. They just need URL, login, and password.
And since it’s all open source, there’s some fun diversity in clients. I use Finamp specifically for music, and there are audiobook focused ones.
Plexamp is what keeps me in the Plex ecosystem. I really like the “Mixes for you” and generating mixes based on listening habits. Have you found anything on jellyfin to do that for music?
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Nginx/caddy, dynamic DNS, buying a domain, setting it up with cloudflare is well outside the capabilities of most people. Took me a few hours to figure out
setting it up with cloudflare
don't proxy the jellyfin domain through cloudflare. They don't like transiting video and will kill your account for it, especially if you're just a free user.
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Lol, I'm not. My ISP does not use cgnat and offers symmetrical bandwidth nationwide.
Feels good not being American.
Port forwarding is a breeze to me and my NAS. Id be willing to switch to JF if I can seamlessly setup the connection, even with my lifetime Plexpass.
Feels good not being American.
Weird, I live in America, have 8gbps symmetrical and am not CGnatted. Odd for you to so blindly exclaim what you did.
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and all of the results were talking about setting up a VPN or a reverse proxy or whatever. Man, I just want to tell my mom "install this app on your tv and log in",
This is why I use Yunohost. It makes all of that just a "click buttons" affair. Then you can tell your Mom the same thing. Only the domain is yours so Jellyfin can't hold it over your head.
Does it work on a smart tv or roku or whatever?
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setting it up with cloudflare
don't proxy the jellyfin domain through cloudflare. They don't like transiting video and will kill your account for it, especially if you're just a free user.
I thought that was only for tunnels
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python -m http.server is still my media server of choice. It's never let me down.
Mine too! I'm enjoying your media server right now.
/s
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Does it work on a smart tv or roku or whatever?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yeah they have apps on all the platforms.
All of these, plus more unofficial ones: https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/installation/
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I went to the Jellyfin landing page, went to the install instructions, copy pasted and ran literally one command, opened it in a browser, made my local account, clicked a button to point it at my media folders and then I was done.
What isn't easy?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Sharing it with people outside your house. Added hardships if behind CGNAT.
I’ll edit this…sharing it securely outside of your house. Just port forwarding to the box and saying have at it isn’t really a great idea.
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Feels good not being American.
Weird, I live in America, have 8gbps symmetrical and am not CGnatted. Odd for you to so blindly exclaim what you did.
How much are you paying for that?
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I thought that was only for tunnels
https://blog.cloudflare.com/updated-tos
The proxy will auto-CDN content. You need to disable CDN in order to stay in line with TOS. You can use one of the available rules to "fix" this... but this will already be even more above the general person's head that it's just better to tell people to not proxy the plex/jellyfin domain at all.
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How much are you paying for that?
wrote last edited by [email protected]$165/mo. Under business contract.
Edit: No caps either... Last 30 days 11TB download, 175TB upload.
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What are the worries behind it? Last time someone was worried about the security it was about knowing filenames of the stuff you host by brute forcing iirc
wrote last edited by [email protected]Last time someone was worried about the security it was about knowing filenames of the stuff you host by brute forcing iirc
Knowing (guessing) the file path allows them to access and stream the content. Meaning worst case scenario... Sony (the people known for putting malicious stuff on CDs) can probe your server, and prove the content is there because your server will return the movie file itself.
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I doubt they're thinking at all if writing a web address is too much lol
"Facebook dot what? Stop the tech speak, nerd!"
And yet most people will just type "facebook" into the omnibar in their browser and click the first result that google gives them.
Yes... A LOT, and I do mean a significantly plurality... have no fucking clue what a URL is.
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Jellyfin is basically as easy to use as plex within the same network. I’ve set up both dueing the past 6 months. The only big difference is that Jellyfin is much more of a pain to work through port forwarding.
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Sharing it with people outside your house. Added hardships if behind CGNAT.
I’ll edit this…sharing it securely outside of your house. Just port forwarding to the box and saying have at it isn’t really a great idea.
wrote last edited by [email protected]UpNp or port forwarding is the same way both Plex and Jellyfin work.
I don't know what makes Jellyfin less secure since they both work the same way for this as far as I can tell...
Can you be more specific about what makes Jellyfin less secure when it comes to UpNp/port forwarding?
In the case of port forwarding at least Jellyfin is open source and has more eyes on it so it's less likely for someone to zero day it and have at it unless I have misunderstood how each can connect off-network.
Furthermore the hash for your password is stored along with many others at a single (or relatively few) attack point/s on a Plex business server since it's a centralized business whereas this is never the case for Jellyfin.
Also this thread is about Plex literally selling your personal data so I don't really consider Jellyfin worse for exposing your personal data.
I'll take my chances with a single idiot who want's to compromise my poor asses tiny network versus an actual hacker who wants to compromise an enterprise businesses network that is storing thousands or hundreds of thousands of user credentials, data, and payment information (Which Jellyfin doesn't store even half of).
If someone hacks Jellyfin on my network -> They have my... media files? Maybe the hash of the one password I use there?
If somone hacks Plex on my network or anywhere - or the people they sold that data to -> They have my password hash, credit card number and probably my name that is associated to it, personal data that Plex is selling, etc.
TL:DR I think Plex is more likely to be hacked rather than myself and the outcome of Plex getting hacked is worse than if my personal Jellyfin server gets hacked.
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Seconded it’s not a no-brainer. I spent days trying to get it set up with Docker on two different computers and three different distros. It wouldn’t install, if it did install it had errors, if it would even open at all with anything other than a black screen. Hours trying to search how to fix it. I gave up and installed it as a standalone app on a common distro. Not as convenient, but FML it finally worked. Really felt like I wasted my time. Personally, this is the exact bullshit linux fanatics completely ignore when they insist on how great linux is vs whatever. I’ve got a shitload of patience, willpower and modest skill to try to get something like this working, but 99% of the population doesn’t. That’s why linux will stay on the back burner. And if it ever becomes just as easy as Windows…guess what? You’ll have many of the same problem as Windows.
I've definitely pulled my hair out with docker too. Banged my head against the wall for a couple days before finally giving up.
I'm not ridiculously tech savvy, but I've tinkered with Linux since I was young, daily drive it on my laptop. I'm not afraid of the command line, and I'm smart enough to search for help and guides when I need it.
But something about docker just breaks my brain. Maybe I'm too old and there's too much abstract thought required, I don't know. But I can't figure it out.
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I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/It's opt-in. Zero issue here.
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$165/mo. Under business contract.
Edit: No caps either... Last 30 days 11TB download, 175TB upload.
That's nice. I pay 28 USD for mine, so yeah, mines a better deal.
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That's nice. I pay 28 USD for mine, so yeah, mines a better deal.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Not without additional context it's not... Is your service 8gbps? Do you have SLAs in place? Will your ISP send you hate mail after using a mere 10TB of data?
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Yup the old one... here's the new one too... still unaddressed
