Plex now want to SELL your personal data
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I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/I have a lifetime Plex pass but still I am considering switching.
Currently I have both Jellyfin and Plex on the same libraries but Jellyfin doesn’t have support for chromecast (on iOS and Firefox) nor support for offline . (Not) covering neither my at home nor travelling use cases
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You need to scroll up and pay attention.
Them:
My ISP offers symmetrical [...] glad I'm not American
Me:
As someone living in America, I have great internet
Them:
<Requests direct information about cost>Me:
<I oblige>Them:
<makes a comparison without qualifying anything about the comparison, claiming theirs to be superior>Me:
<calls it out>They provided no details at all... this whole engagement. We still don't actually know what speeds they even get for their mere 28USD. Could be 100mbps and it would be significantly worse by ever metric than my 8gbps. I can't compare my service to something that we have no details for.
He provided details about his non-business internet being symmetrical and YOU compared it to your business contract line, that's literally how it started.
The cost is to prove that Americans do not have easy access to the same level of internet his country has, which is his main point. You needed to purchase a business line to have it symmetrical, which is not accessible to the everyone.
Just because you can pay 100 times the cost of healthcare in European countries to get high quality heathcare in America, it doesn't mean the average American can afford to go to the hospital or that your healthcare system is just as good. The same thing applies to your internet.
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With a fresh install of Plex you can still connect to it remotely…with no ports open. It will use Plex’s relay service to make the connection. That has limited bandwidth so it’s rarely anybody’s long term choice but it works right out of the box.
If you do choose to open a port then Plex partnered with Let’s Encrypt and Digicert to setup and maintain all the certs for you. So at least your connections are encrypted provided you use one of the many apps that support secure connections.
Is that the most secure way to run Plex? No. But it’s a couple steps in the right direction for basically zero effort on the server admin and users part.
You might not like the centralized auth of Plex but I don’t have to manage user accounts/passwords for people and deal with distributing them. Just send an invite to their email, they set it all up, and I never need to know about it. They forgot a password?…I never need to know about it.
I see, thanks.
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I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/Goddammit... Right after I got the lifetime pass...
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I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/I assumed they already were.
No chance Plex wasn't making money from those who didn't pay for Plex Pass.
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He provided details about his non-business internet being symmetrical and YOU compared it to your business contract line, that's literally how it started.
The cost is to prove that Americans do not have easy access to the same level of internet his country has, which is his main point. You needed to purchase a business line to have it symmetrical, which is not accessible to the everyone.
Just because you can pay 100 times the cost of healthcare in European countries to get high quality heathcare in America, it doesn't mean the average American can afford to go to the hospital or that your healthcare system is just as good. The same thing applies to your internet.
He provided details about his non-business internet being symmetrical and YOU compared it to your business contract line, that’s literally how it started.
To my residential house... of which my neighbor can get the same service, under a residential contract. Also they didn't say if their internet was residential or not.
The cost is to prove that Americans do not have easy access to the same level of internet his country has, which is his main point. You needed to purchase a business line to have it symmetrical, which is not accessible to the everyone.
No. My neighbor can also get 8/8, under a different SLA as residential. I only provided "under business contract" because that changes the price.
Just because you can pay 100 times the cost of healthcare in European countries to get high quality heathcare in America, it doesn’t mean the average American can afford to go to the hospital or that your healthcare system is just as good. The same thing applies to your internet.
You're not making a good look for your stance when you over hyperbolize the situation. I pay 5.89 times more... for what could be 8-80 times more speed. We don't know because THERE IS NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION.
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Seeing the replies in this thread it kinda makes me wonder what Plex actually has to do for these zealots to quit using their platform.
Like do they literally have to steal naked pictures of you and pass them around the office? Like wtf.
FWIW apparently this is talking about their free content, not about user content.
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How is someone who can't manage to copy and paste "www.my-jellyfin-server.com" into the address bar going to figure out where to get a Plex account?
Tell them to copy and paste that text from their phone to their TV and tell me how it goes. First, you gotta explain what apps are available on whatever TV they're using, though.
You also conveniently forget to mention the amount of work you need to setup a domain name that points to your Jellyfin server vs just telling them to sign up for a Plex account and tell you the email address they used.
Btw, the average person have no trouble signing up for an online account. How do you think people create an account for their social media, email address, and online shopping? Just google Plex and sign up. It's a familiar process for them, unlike dealing with URLs or VPN apps.
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Jellyfin is hardly a no-brainer. I set it up out of curiosity a few weeks ago and my first question was how do I give access to my friends and family. So I searched, and all of the results were talking about setting up a VPN or a reverse proxy or whatever. Man, I just want to tell my mom "install this app on your tv and log in", which is exactly what Plex does.
I get that Plex is enshittifying, but pretending Jellyfin is a drop-in replacement is delusional.
So I searched, and all of the results were talking about setting up a VPN or a reverse proxy or whatever.
The best thing is, you can't use a reverse proxy with it, it doesn't even support it.
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He provided details about his non-business internet being symmetrical and YOU compared it to your business contract line, that’s literally how it started.
To my residential house... of which my neighbor can get the same service, under a residential contract. Also they didn't say if their internet was residential or not.
The cost is to prove that Americans do not have easy access to the same level of internet his country has, which is his main point. You needed to purchase a business line to have it symmetrical, which is not accessible to the everyone.
No. My neighbor can also get 8/8, under a different SLA as residential. I only provided "under business contract" because that changes the price.
Just because you can pay 100 times the cost of healthcare in European countries to get high quality heathcare in America, it doesn’t mean the average American can afford to go to the hospital or that your healthcare system is just as good. The same thing applies to your internet.
You're not making a good look for your stance when you over hyperbolize the situation. I pay 5.89 times more... for what could be 8-80 times more speed. We don't know because THERE IS NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION.
If your neighbour can also get symmetrical internet with a residential contract, then that would be the better example to prove his point wrong.
A business contract is not a good comparison because they usually are symmetrical for a premium price regardless of the quality of the residential internet in your area.
Even in my country you can get symmetrical internet with a business contract, yet I'll never claim my country's internet is comparable to one that do provide it for a normal residential connection, because we don't have that option here.
And he did say his internet was a normal domestic internet, btw.
You're not making a good look for your stance when you over hyperbolize the situation.
I needed to hyperbolize the situation because you can't seem to grasp why a business line wasn't a good comparison, as you can see from how it works in my country. All you needed to do was provide the point that the symmetrical internet is not exclusive to a business contract and it would have made your argument completely valid.
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If your neighbour can also get symmetrical internet with a residential contract, then that would be the better example to prove his point wrong.
A business contract is not a good comparison because they usually are symmetrical for a premium price regardless of the quality of the residential internet in your area.
Even in my country you can get symmetrical internet with a business contract, yet I'll never claim my country's internet is comparable to one that do provide it for a normal residential connection, because we don't have that option here.
And he did say his internet was a normal domestic internet, btw.
You're not making a good look for your stance when you over hyperbolize the situation.
I needed to hyperbolize the situation because you can't seem to grasp why a business line wasn't a good comparison, as you can see from how it works in my country. All you needed to do was provide the point that the symmetrical internet is not exclusive to a business contract and it would have made your argument completely valid.
If your neighbour can also get symmetrical internet with a residential contract, then that would be the better example to prove his point wrong.
Sure, but I don't get their bill now do I?
A business contract is not a good comparison because they usually are symmetrical for a premium price regardless of the quality of the residential internet in your area.
Which was the point of me bringing it up... my price is likely higher than my neighbor. But I know that the same speeds are available. Symmetric.
Once again though... Without more information we can't actually compare but at face value... I pay 5.89 times for for presumably 8-80 times more speed. EVEN ON MY BUSINESS CONTRACT. Hard to say that their service is categorically better than mine...
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There are a lot of people here who simply cannot be bothered to figure out remote access
A weird one i saw today was actually "jellyfin took too many resources scanning my library" and 'if it doesn't have an SSO my family won't use it'
I think a lot of people just enjoy plex better and will accept any minor inconvenience as justification. That's fine though. I'll swear up and down that apple products are not worth the convenience, either, but there will always be people who simply like them more than others, and thats fine
There are a lot of people here who simply cannot be bothered to figure out remote access
I think being apprehensive is natural when you're entirely left on your own for security, knowing that you could leave yourself vulnerable if you do it incorrectly. Add to this the fact that half the info you'll find on the process is people claiming you just need to open some ports, which you know to be wrong, and it's easy to see why it's hard to trust any advice you find.
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Years of continued enshittification
They've been putting ads on your home screen for years
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I bet you'd like filebrowser. Cleaner interface while being minimal as http.server
Beautiful! I'll definitely give this a go
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There are a lot of people here who simply cannot be bothered to figure out remote access
I think being apprehensive is natural when you're entirely left on your own for security, knowing that you could leave yourself vulnerable if you do it incorrectly. Add to this the fact that half the info you'll find on the process is people claiming you just need to open some ports, which you know to be wrong, and it's easy to see why it's hard to trust any advice you find.
Yea, I don't disagree, and I don't actually fault anyone for using plex for it's simplicity of remote configuration.
I do think a lot of people overlook simple workarounds to doing straight reverse proxies. I've used a VPN to access my remote services without issue for a long time. Granted, that's still a prerequisite skill a lot of people don't have, but I think a lot of people already inside the self-host space already have that knowledge. And frankly, self-hosting as a concept stems from this idea that with a little bit of effort, we can free ourselves from corporately owned SAAS companies - it shouldn't be so divisive to be advocating for self-sufficiency.
There's absolutely a place for plex. It's a lot of people's first foray into selfhosting. But I think people miss the opportunity to learn a new skill when they decide they're willing to put up with abuse instead of taking the hint that it's time to migrate.
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How is someone who can't manage to copy and paste "www.my-jellyfin-server.com" into the address bar going to figure out where to get a Plex account?
This thread is comparing the ease of setup between Plex and Jellyfin and having to purchase your own domain and set a bunch of stuff up on your own definitely doesn't make for an easier install. You might be right about people's ability to type in a URL, but this definitely illustrates the added difficulty in setting up Jellyfin.
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So I searched, and all of the results were talking about setting up a VPN or a reverse proxy or whatever.
The best thing is, you can't use a reverse proxy with it, it doesn't even support it.
I don't even know what a reverse proxy is
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Kodi exists however it's a client only, it is not made to host content. You are looking for jellyfin
Eh, I'm pretty sure it is. Haven't had Kodi running for a while, but I used it on a Raspberry Pi with an USB HDD with my content long before I had Jellyfin. Though it cannot stream the content over network, just display it on the machines video output (which is what media PCs do)
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You as server operator also have to check what device your mom has and point her to what app download, because Jellyfin doesn't have an app for everything
True though that's less server operator and more "just being helpful to your mom". That said it seems nowadays that a Jellyfin app is available on most devices/ecosystems (or maybe I just don't have experience with enough devices to have an accurate idea).
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If your neighbour can also get symmetrical internet with a residential contract, then that would be the better example to prove his point wrong.
Sure, but I don't get their bill now do I?
A business contract is not a good comparison because they usually are symmetrical for a premium price regardless of the quality of the residential internet in your area.
Which was the point of me bringing it up... my price is likely higher than my neighbor. But I know that the same speeds are available. Symmetric.
Once again though... Without more information we can't actually compare but at face value... I pay 5.89 times for for presumably 8-80 times more speed. EVEN ON MY BUSINESS CONTRACT. Hard to say that their service is categorically better than mine...
Man, you're still missing the point and you wonder why I had to resort to hyperbole. Nvm, since you don't actually seem interested with disproving his point effectively and still want to compare prices despite it being irrelevant to the actual point, there's not much use with continuing this discussion. You've provided information that proved half his point about US internet is incorrect, and that's good enough for me.
