Pornhub Is Pulling Out of France
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I was an active user of pornhub when I was 14 years old
I was a teenager before the modern internet, so at 14 I got my porn from BBSes and friends sharing floppy disks. There was plenty of awful/illegal shit on BBSes. But they weren't regulated, so no one did anything about it.
You cannot ban teenagers from accessing porn. Full stop.
You can ban teenagers from using safe sites that follow the rules. That will force teenagers off responsible sites like PornHub and move them to shady sites that don't follow rules and have shit like child pornography.
I grew up in the 1970's and 80's. Even then porn wasn't hard to find.
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So should the supermarket check the ID before selling alcohol, or is it the parent's responsability too?
Jokes aside, I think the problem is that most parents are not technically capable of configuring a router at home, and even if some did, as most don't kids would just go to those homes or use those phones to watch it, I guess?
Like I get it, but this will never work, unless you force every parent to visit classes about phone and router configuration.
So should the supermarket check the ID before selling alcohol, or is it the parent's responsability too?
I'm from the US where the drinking age is 21. A lot of my friends growing up bought illegal drugs because they were easier to get than alcohol.
To buy beer, you had to find someone's older brother and convince him to buy it for you, or find homeless guy and give him some money.
Or you could just hit up Nathaniel on the street corner to get some weed or ecstacy. Nathaniel didn't give a shit about your ID.
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I grew up in the 1970's and 80's. Even then porn wasn't hard to find.
Exactly. There's a reason prostitution is called "the world's oldest profession". People have biological needs. Banning kids from using legitimate porn sites isn't going to undo millions of years of evolution.
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Yes, it is okay for teenagers to watch porn. Pretty much everyone did, at least everyone I know. None of these people have any problems because of it. There certainly are people with unhealthy relationships to porn, but the same can be said about basically all things. You wouldn't ban video games because gaming addicts exist, would you?
A ban such as this only makes sense for things without any upside, like gambling. But exploring your own sexuality is a natural and healthy thing to do. Porn is an easy way to do that.
You wouldn't ban video games because gaming addicts exist, would you?
Oh they tried so often it's a fecking meme at this point and they won't stop.
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This is Wikipedia on the guy who started the site:
Wilson argued, counter to relevant experts in the subject, that porn addiction is a public health issue,[11] and said it led to negative effects such as depression and erectile dysfunction.[13] According to Jason Winters, a lecturer on human sexuality in the department of psychology at the University of British Columbia "There is no research showing that Internet pornography causes mental disorders — none".[14]
wrote on last edited by [email protected]His vita is partly problematic, but he clearly states that this claim goes against the research currently available. One of the reasons is that it would be hard to justify necessary studies morally. Another one is that porn is a giant industry with many "independant" contractors who want to justify themselves. Also, the hyper availability of porn as we know it today over the internet is a pretty young phenomenon. As a comparison, there was a time not too long ago when smoking was advised by doctors.
Anyways, it's always funny to see the cognitive dissonance of people when it comes to negative effects of instant gratification like with drugs, social media, overeating or any other thing that can seriously fuck with your mind when done wrong or too early in life, but porn always somehow gets trivialized out of that exact discussion. Maybe it's because it affects us all, just like covid, and that did not foster a healthy culture of discussion as well iirc. It also kind of reminds me of stoners trying to tell you that weed is not addictive.
There are enough issues in our modern society where this could, not alone by itself, and as we both stated just as a scientifically unproven claim for now, be part of the explanation. I'd say let's wait until AI gets shoved into this equation as well for long enough to see what it does to the people lol.
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Based on my reading, porn addiction isn’t a real medical condition and is largely driven by internalized or external stigma around porn usage. Usually, but not always stemming from a religious worldview that shames people for masturbating or having an interest in sex outside of the context of heterosexual marital procreation.
There could be small numbers of people who truly have an unhealthy relationship with porn, but if so, they are greatly outnumbered by the people I described above, such that I haven’t found research on their experiences.
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You wouldn't ban video games because gaming addicts exist, would you?
Oh they tried so often it's a fecking meme at this point and they won't stop.
Well, yes. But it hasn't worked yet because it is so fucking dumb.
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Are we not doing “Phrasing!” anymore?
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It's kinda weird seeing this from Germany: Around here porn websites always required a proper age check ("are you 18" banners don't suffice), which in effect means that the few porn sites that are hosted in Germany are paid (if you're paying, an age check is trivial). That doesn't mean that the rest is inaccessible, but it certainly doesn''t have a .de TLD. It's just how laws written for the offline age translated to online.
What's stopping pornhub from having a similar strategy in France? Continue to accept French IPs for the international version, paywall the French version.
What's stopping pornhub from having a similar strategy in France? Continue to accept French IPs for the international version, paywall the French version.
Pornhub is ideologically against having to collect and verify data on their users for the government. They block traffic in all areas that pass these kinds of laws as a protest.
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I was an active user of pornhub when I was 14 years old
I was a teenager before the modern internet, so at 14 I got my porn from BBSes and friends sharing floppy disks. There was plenty of awful/illegal shit on BBSes. But they weren't regulated, so no one did anything about it.
You cannot ban teenagers from accessing porn. Full stop.
You can ban teenagers from using safe sites that follow the rules. That will force teenagers off responsible sites like PornHub and move them to shady sites that don't follow rules and have shit like child pornography.
This and to add to this:
They know this already. This is not a new subject, this has been going on for decades and every time it ends the same and it keeps coming back because they only need to win once. Once porn becomes illegal, good luck making it back legal again
And that depends on what asshole you're dealing with, the religious virtua signalling asshole or the "must monitor and control all citizens always" type asshole.
The latter does the same shit, just for slightly different reasons. assholes sometimes have similar goals and all.
Either way, it's NEVER about actually protecting the children because fuck children, no politician has ever actually cared for a child (far and few exceptions excluded)
Basically, if a politician talks about protecting children, they're lying, period.
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I didn't downvote but the reason is probably because you're blaming porn for your issues like it was only an issue because of your age.
If you became an addict because of porn at 14, not seeing porn until you're 18 wouldn't have changed anything, except delay that problem for 4 years. That's it. People don't just become addicts if they're only a certain age range, the problem is much deeper than that.
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It's kinda weird seeing this from Germany: Around here porn websites always required a proper age check ("are you 18" banners don't suffice), which in effect means that the few porn sites that are hosted in Germany are paid (if you're paying, an age check is trivial). That doesn't mean that the rest is inaccessible, but it certainly doesn''t have a .de TLD. It's just how laws written for the offline age translated to online.
What's stopping pornhub from having a similar strategy in France? Continue to accept French IPs for the international version, paywall the French version.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Doesn't seem like a real requirement if Pornhub and similar sites can get away with their "only click if you're 18"-banners just the same. Making a distinction between sites hosted inside Germany and outside Germany doesn't seem like smart lawmaking to me.
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“Adults are free to consume porn, but not at the expense of protecting our children,” Chappaz said in a tweet Tuesday, according to an English language translation. “Asking pornographic sites to verify the age of their users is not about stigmatizing adults, but about protecting our children.”
These fuckers always throw around the term "protecting our children" when they want to do something shitty. Companies like Pornhub actually have strick controls to actually protect children with their anti-CP policies. By forcing them to adopt these bullshit government controls, it only moves users to less legitimate sites without anti-CP policies.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Companies like Pornhub actually have strick controls to actually protect children with their anti-CP policies.
To be fair, that's a more recent thing. It had some terrible content in the past. Then around 2020 that got some publicity so Visa, Mastercard and Discover all threatened blacklist them if they didn't start moderating properly.
Although your point still stands, the whole "Wont somebody think of the children!?!11" lamentation is a dead giveaway. And I'm sad that more people don't realize.
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I didn't downvote but the reason is probably because you're blaming porn for your issues like it was only an issue because of your age.
If you became an addict because of porn at 14, not seeing porn until you're 18 wouldn't have changed anything, except delay that problem for 4 years. That's it. People don't just become addicts if they're only a certain age range, the problem is much deeper than that.
Debatable. I had no phone or TV as a child and now I am addicted years later. But my developing brain grew up not needing these stimuli.
This is pretty important, so a delay might be very helpful
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This and to add to this:
They know this already. This is not a new subject, this has been going on for decades and every time it ends the same and it keeps coming back because they only need to win once. Once porn becomes illegal, good luck making it back legal again
And that depends on what asshole you're dealing with, the religious virtua signalling asshole or the "must monitor and control all citizens always" type asshole.
The latter does the same shit, just for slightly different reasons. assholes sometimes have similar goals and all.
Either way, it's NEVER about actually protecting the children because fuck children, no politician has ever actually cared for a child (far and few exceptions excluded)
Basically, if a politician talks about protecting children, they're lying, period.
True. Damn.
Also agreed, it is insanely hard to legalize stuff after it was made illegal for stupid emptionalized reasons. Various drugs, gay marriage, equal rights, abolition of borders etc.
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These authoritarian laws are such a boon for VPN companies.
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Handjobs show good work ethic
Same with blowjobs and rimjobs. Anything with "job" in it, really.
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You are, but not as instant gratification, but as the result of work of some kind.
So you can't play board games? That's not work of some kind.
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What's stopping pornhub from having a similar strategy in France? Continue to accept French IPs for the international version, paywall the French version.
Pornhub is ideologically against having to collect and verify data on their users for the government. They block traffic in all areas that pass these kinds of laws as a protest.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Rare corporate W.
Edit: I take that back. Apparently, they want device level verification
