Europe will have its own AI: OpenEuroLLM

[crackhappy@lemmy.world]

Hey! Look at me! I also want to be a dumpster fire.

[anyone@slrpnk.net]

Is it really worth it building yet another model?

Yes, it is, and it has to do with independence and many other reasons. It'll be multilingual, legally compliant, it comes without Chinese nor other censorship, it is open source unlike Deepseek, ChatGPT, and others.

[bruce965@lemmy.ml]

Mmh, okay that makes sense. Especially the multilinguality would be pretty important. As for the legality, we'll see how it goes. Do we even know if it's really possible to build a good model with only legally acquired data?

As for the censorship, as far as I know, for DeepSeek's models it's injected in the prompt after the training is completed, so it shouldn't really be censored if you run it locally.

But yeah, you have raised good points. Thanks.

[anyone@slrpnk.net]

No, DeepSeek isn’t uncensored if you run it locally.

Everything that comes from China is censored, because private companies must apply to the Chinese censorship laws.

[bruce965@lemmy.ml]

Understood, thanks

[bestbouclettes@jlai.lu]

That money should definitely go towards funding sovereign cloud infrastructure and open source software instead of vaporware AI bullshit. Where will you run your LLMs if you have no infra..

[remon@ani.social]

Well, investing a mere €20 millions won't achieve much. On the other hand I'm glad they aren't wasting more money on it.

[guaraguaito@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

To be fair — I wouldn’t mind an open source AI model that works decently well and isn’t made and selectively propagandised by China or Meta.

Obviously I’m sick of all the LLM enshittification — but there’s a couple tasks I wouldn’t mind having a FOSS LLM for.

[wolfmaneightysix@piefed.social]

I could get down with that.

[clb92@feddit.dk]

Wasn't DeepSeek v3 trained with single-digit million dollars budget?

[niktemadur@lemmy.world]

At the very least the name is much more technically accurate by putting LLM instead of AI in there.

[eigenspace@feddit.org]

Probably not. There's a lot of reasons to be skeptical of those claimed numbers.

[rvgamer06@sh.itjust.works]

The local version could be theoretically be uncensored through abliteration tho

[davidgarcia@feddit.nl]

2 main issues with the lack of Euro models: 1) Performance of all SOTA models is much better in English.
2) US models have US values. It's yet another tool to culturally assimilate Europe (and the rest of the world too)

[lud@lemm.ee]

Iirc leaked numbers says something closer to 1 billion USD

[davidgarcia@feddit.nl]

with that little money split between that many institutions, nothing will come of it.

It's especially pointless ever since DeepSeek R1 dropped. Now everyone has the recipie to build state of the art models, so it's only a matter of time until European companies will create one.

[jokedeity@lemm.ee]

Have all of these people forgotten what Open is supposed to mean?

[albert180@discuss.tchncs.de]

We already have sovereign Cloud Infrastructure (OVH, Scaleway etc...)

Most people use AWS, Azure and Google Cloud because of Resume Driven Development and nobody got fired for buying AWS, and most of them probably don't need them

[bestbouclettes@jlai.lu]

Nobody in Europe can realistically compete with AWS, GCP or Azure. Especially not OVH. They mostly focus on small and medium businesses and I wouldn't trust them for large scale operations like the ones you can do on AWS. They had one too many dumb problems caused by poor design/decisions.
Maybe I should have been more precise: we don't have sovereign hyperscalers in Europe.

[albert180@discuss.tchncs.de]

You don't need those companies to run a big LLM in the Cloud.

You can do that on OVH, Scaleway etc...