Ukraine’s Top Military Leadership: We Are Starting to Win, Russia Is Starting to Lose
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Ukraine won't collapse.
The Russia will collapse.
How does that mean the Russia has a chance to win?
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i imagine that ban and defederation evasion is also against the rules but that doesnt stop all the lemmygrad cunts using their alts
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How is it a surprise that the Russia has been making gains in the Kursk province? That's been one of the three most important points in making the incursion.
Most importantly, it was needed as an insurance in case that Trump becomes president. It would have been easy for Putin to get Trump into pushing Ukraine into a "ceasefire" where the frontline would turn into a de-facto international border until the Russia is able to restart its invasion. But, if any part of the front runs inside the Russia, it becomes impossible for Putin to accept that. The Kursk incursion turned the very simple and clear-cut deal into one that is difficult to get done. Putin still needs the front to become a border, but he needs to include the exception that Ukraine will hand some of the territory to the Russia, but the Russia won't hand anything to Ukraine. It would have been easy to get Trump to help Putin win if all the front was inside Ukraine. Now it's not.
Then, the second most important reason: even though the Russia is advancing so slowly that the advances have no strategical significance, it is still advancing all the same. And when advancing, the Russia razes all encountered towns to rubble. All the advances the Russia has made in its Kursk province have been away from advancing in Ukraine. It has saved thousands of Ukrainians from suffering that the Russia has been razing its own villages, not Ukraine's villages. And, we've observed that the Russia is much less violent regarding its own villages than with Ukrainian villages. This means, it attacks less with artillery and more with troops. And since Ukraine is primarily not trying to gain/retain land, but destroy as many Russian soldiers and destroy as much of Russia's equipment as possible, this is a wonderful thing. Advancing in Kursk province, the Russia has suffered very much bigger losses than it would have suffered in Ukraine.
And then, the Russia has had to spread its troops more thin. Because the Russia has a bigger problem with availability of troops and equipment than Ukraine does, each extra metre of front causes more difficulty for the Russian armed forces than it causes for those of Ukraine. Even through Ukrainian army has trouble with those as well, the Russia having more problems with the same means that Ukraine gets a relative advantage from making the front longer. The incursion into Russian territory has done that.
As long as Ukraine holds any part of Russian territory anywhere, its campaign for attacking the Russia has been a huge success. Without the Kursk incursion, there would already have been a ceasefire. And that would have meant Ukraine becoming a part of the Russia, sooner or later. Now that won't happen.
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Yup. And that means the Russia will be losing huge amounts of troops and equipment without gaining anything from it. The Ukrainian economy is very small, I think about the size of Slovakia's economy. The EU can hold Ukraine's economy up as long as it wants to. Nobody is doing the same for the Russia.
If the Russia had to switch to defending territory without gaining anything more, how would it push for a victory before its economy collapsing?
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Absolutely!
But of course the US leadership understood that this is a consequence of asking EU to refrain from doing that kind of stuff. Would still have been better for USA if Europe would have done much more, so the demands make sense. And I agree that more should have been done!
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It is an economic transition that is going very nice for the working class
Yeah, must be real nice just lying in a field in ukraine pushing up sunflowers
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Especially without American Support
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Russia has been steadily and slowly gaining territory over the last year.
If the Russia had to switch to defending territory without gaining anything more, how would it push for a victory before its economy collapsing?
The current attempt is Trump. It's doubtful the Russian economy will collapse any time soon. They still have some slack and the Russian population could suffer far more. Their strategy after the first couple of months was to outlast Ukraine and its supporters. The moaning about costs in the countries supporting Ukraine is only growing. Russia has a firm lid on all opposition.
Nobody is doing the same for the Russia
China
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Then go fight there. They're hiring.
I have a friend in Kiev and they're kidnapping people to send them to the frontline. Maybe you can take his place if you like Ukraine that much. It's funny how jingoists who cheers for war are never the ones actually fighting it.
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Russia? From Ukrainians? Is that what you mean?
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You kidding? Last time latinoamericana tried to show support some crazy Ukrainian girls answered with monkey emojis. Bunch of racist neanderthals.
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No, nice diverting to the fact some kids were SAVED from ending up like this:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ukrainian-girl-gives-nazi-salute-6328675
Any country will take children from unfit parents.
But you know very well the ones that didn't get brainwashed are now kidnapped by the Banderites, same as the elderly.
This is already from more than a year ago, imagine now.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.htmlProbably they will find something like this now:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ColorizedHistory/comments/8dox22/this_13_year_old_german_of_the_hitler_youth/ -
the Russia has been steadily and slowly gaining territory over the last year with a speed of 0.7 % of Ukraine's territory per year. Which is not strategically relevant. Strategically seen, the Russia has not advanced.
I don't really see China starting to actively cover the Russian budget. That would jeopardize China's trade with Europe.
The Russia's strategy has been to outlast Ukraine's supporters will to support Ukraine. That will never happen, unless the voices making the fake claims about time being on the Russia's side are given too much space. Helping Ukraine is so much cheaper than the costs that incur if the Russia takes over Ukraine that there is no logical reason for the EU to end Ukraine's support ever. Even if some countries were to withdraw their support, enough will retain it to keep Ukraine's head over water.
The Russian economy will collapse, sooner or later.
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Thing is there is a hand behind the back on both sides. Russia has nukes. So do France and UK, one shouldn't forget... Tho USA dropping support does change the conventional war, the USA dropping support doesn't fundamentally change this hand behind the back part.
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The Russian economy will collapse, sooner or later.
I agree, but think it's later. Russia needs to lose on the battlefield as well before they stop the war.
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Don't agree with the aircraft carrier bit. The point of aircraft carriers has always been that they can sit way the hell back, because the aircraft are projecting all the firepower. The F-35 and Super Hornet for example have a combat radius of well over 1000km.
They have always been vulnerable in the sense that it doesn't take much to destroy them, a few torpedoes or ASMs suffice. The hard part is getting those weapons on target. That means either getting close enough in a very hostile electronic warfare and anti-air environment, or acquiring a weapons grade lock on a moving target from hundreds of kilometers away.
Both are very hard problems to solve, and $10k drones do nothing towards solving that. The threat to worry about here is not drones, but hard to intercept hypersonic missiles that are self guiding through passive electro-optical sensors that allow them to intelligently pick out an aircraft carrier to home in on.
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If it's a year later, then it is.
The Russia won't be able to recruit soldiers after its economy collapses. They are in for salary and death compensation that is defined in Rubles. Once the Ruble compensation loses its value, relatives get less motivated for letting their sons go to the front. And when the 2000$ salary becones a 100 $ salary, nobody goes to war for that money.Without soldiers the front cannot be kept.
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His point, I think, is the line of whataboutist thinking that got the conversation to this point, from the OP.
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I actually really don't care about Gaza.
Don't get me wrong, I don't support what they're doing over there.... But.... It's a bunch of religious people fighting over what they think is holy land... When holy Land is in contention they're always killing each other over it...
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Fair point.
Go Ukraine!
