Ukraine’s Top Military Leadership: We Are Starting to Win, Russia Is Starting to Lose
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Yup. And that means the Russia will be losing huge amounts of troops and equipment without gaining anything from it. The Ukrainian economy is very small, I think about the size of Slovakia's economy. The EU can hold Ukraine's economy up as long as it wants to. Nobody is doing the same for the Russia.
If the Russia had to switch to defending territory without gaining anything more, how would it push for a victory before its economy collapsing?
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Absolutely!
But of course the US leadership understood that this is a consequence of asking EU to refrain from doing that kind of stuff. Would still have been better for USA if Europe would have done much more, so the demands make sense. And I agree that more should have been done!
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It is an economic transition that is going very nice for the working class
Yeah, must be real nice just lying in a field in ukraine pushing up sunflowers
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Especially without American Support
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Russia has been steadily and slowly gaining territory over the last year.
If the Russia had to switch to defending territory without gaining anything more, how would it push for a victory before its economy collapsing?
The current attempt is Trump. It's doubtful the Russian economy will collapse any time soon. They still have some slack and the Russian population could suffer far more. Their strategy after the first couple of months was to outlast Ukraine and its supporters. The moaning about costs in the countries supporting Ukraine is only growing. Russia has a firm lid on all opposition.
Nobody is doing the same for the Russia
China
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Then go fight there. They're hiring.
I have a friend in Kiev and they're kidnapping people to send them to the frontline. Maybe you can take his place if you like Ukraine that much. It's funny how jingoists who cheers for war are never the ones actually fighting it.
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Russia? From Ukrainians? Is that what you mean?
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You kidding? Last time latinoamericana tried to show support some crazy Ukrainian girls answered with monkey emojis. Bunch of racist neanderthals.
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No, nice diverting to the fact some kids were SAVED from ending up like this:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ukrainian-girl-gives-nazi-salute-6328675
Any country will take children from unfit parents.
But you know very well the ones that didn't get brainwashed are now kidnapped by the Banderites, same as the elderly.
This is already from more than a year ago, imagine now.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.htmlProbably they will find something like this now:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ColorizedHistory/comments/8dox22/this_13_year_old_german_of_the_hitler_youth/ -
the Russia has been steadily and slowly gaining territory over the last year with a speed of 0.7 % of Ukraine's territory per year. Which is not strategically relevant. Strategically seen, the Russia has not advanced.
I don't really see China starting to actively cover the Russian budget. That would jeopardize China's trade with Europe.
The Russia's strategy has been to outlast Ukraine's supporters will to support Ukraine. That will never happen, unless the voices making the fake claims about time being on the Russia's side are given too much space. Helping Ukraine is so much cheaper than the costs that incur if the Russia takes over Ukraine that there is no logical reason for the EU to end Ukraine's support ever. Even if some countries were to withdraw their support, enough will retain it to keep Ukraine's head over water.
The Russian economy will collapse, sooner or later.
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Thing is there is a hand behind the back on both sides. Russia has nukes. So do France and UK, one shouldn't forget... Tho USA dropping support does change the conventional war, the USA dropping support doesn't fundamentally change this hand behind the back part.
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The Russian economy will collapse, sooner or later.
I agree, but think it's later. Russia needs to lose on the battlefield as well before they stop the war.
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Don't agree with the aircraft carrier bit. The point of aircraft carriers has always been that they can sit way the hell back, because the aircraft are projecting all the firepower. The F-35 and Super Hornet for example have a combat radius of well over 1000km.
They have always been vulnerable in the sense that it doesn't take much to destroy them, a few torpedoes or ASMs suffice. The hard part is getting those weapons on target. That means either getting close enough in a very hostile electronic warfare and anti-air environment, or acquiring a weapons grade lock on a moving target from hundreds of kilometers away.
Both are very hard problems to solve, and $10k drones do nothing towards solving that. The threat to worry about here is not drones, but hard to intercept hypersonic missiles that are self guiding through passive electro-optical sensors that allow them to intelligently pick out an aircraft carrier to home in on.
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If it's a year later, then it is.
The Russia won't be able to recruit soldiers after its economy collapses. They are in for salary and death compensation that is defined in Rubles. Once the Ruble compensation loses its value, relatives get less motivated for letting their sons go to the front. And when the 2000$ salary becones a 100 $ salary, nobody goes to war for that money.Without soldiers the front cannot be kept.
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His point, I think, is the line of whataboutist thinking that got the conversation to this point, from the OP.
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I actually really don't care about Gaza.
Don't get me wrong, I don't support what they're doing over there.... But.... It's a bunch of religious people fighting over what they think is holy land... When holy Land is in contention they're always killing each other over it...
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Fair point.
Go Ukraine!
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As a person who lives in a place, I would be hard pressed to ever be unwilling to defend the place where I live. I can't even imagine giving up the fight so a foreign government can occupy the land I call home.
I would be surprised if Ukrainians would ever get tired of defending their home land.
I can, however, see Russians being unwilling to sign up to invade a country that clearly doesn't want them there.
All I'm trying to say is: I agree.
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Wow, what an incredible take with zero supporting information, either information I've seen published, ever, or information provided by you, the poster.
Thanks for this, DrDickHandler, it's really helping this conversation evolve into something better!
(/s for anyone too tired to see it)
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Right they should have peacefully be annexed to Soviet Union 2.0
I guess you would have gone with that
