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'Every word has come back to haunt me': China cracks down on women who write gay erotica

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  • B [email protected]

    Very typical .ml whataboutism. Both things can be bad at the same time. This is not a null sum game.

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    They're on .world, how is this .ml Whataboutism to call out that both countries are horrid to their citizens?

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    • N [email protected]

      It's not whataboutism to tell the pot to shut the fuck up when it's calling the kettle black

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      #132

      As we all know, bringing up American issues is always Whataboutism. But you can use China to excuse anything America does without issue. It's the .world way!

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      • eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.comE [email protected]

        States are banning pornhub and making websites require ID checks. They're banning porn.

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        #133

        That's not illegalizing it & it's not throwing erotica writers in jail.
        Don't believe me?
        Cite the laws.
        It's legal.

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          My state literally made pornhub illegal today please stop doing apologia and/or propaganda

          China has always banned porn, if that is an issue or you oppose this woman being arrested for producing pornography then you should probably take efforts in america to prevent these exact same laws from being passed in your state (something that is already being done whether you choose to pay attention or not)

          Arguing against anything I said wouldve been more productive and more interesting than promoting an abject lie that american states arent currently implementing the same authoritarian restrictions on legally produced pornography as the CCP with the list of states doing so ever expanding.

          You're welcome to sleepwalk into authoritarianism but I will continue to call it out in spite of people who choose to plug their ears or derail the conversation away from the growing surveillance state in america. Americans cant influence Chinese internal politics, so when something is wrong there they should look at what they can do to prevent the same thing from occurring here instead of just braying about how bad china is for doing what we will be doing within the decade. Why even come here just to be pithy and wrong?

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          #134

          My state literally made pornhub illegal today

          They did not.
          Words mean things.
          Answered here.
          Cite the law: you can't.

          please stop doing apologia and/or propaganda

          Right back at you: twisting the word illegal.
          I disapprove of the dumb online ID regulations, too: still not illegal.
          US isn't throwing pornographers & erotica writers in jail.

          China has always banned porn

          You said it.
          Not banned in USA.

          You’re welcome to sleepwalk into authoritarianism

          Chinese government is already there.

          US still has a long way to "catch up".
          They're not

          • sending Ughyers to reeducation camps or forced sterilizations
          • organ harvesting the Falun Gong
          • suppressing discussion of the times they've sent tanks against civilians.

          The Chinese government doesn't care about individual rights & never has: it's baked into the formula.
          They always put tankie ideology first, the individual later, sometimes far later.

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          • L [email protected]

            That's not illegalizing it & it's not throwing erotica writers in jail.
            Don't believe me?
            Cite the laws.
            It's legal.

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            #135

            So if it's prohibited by a law then it's not illegal?

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            • eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.comE [email protected]

              So if it's prohibited by a law then it's not illegal?

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              #136

              So if it’s prohibited by a law

              Again, it's not.
              Again, cite a law.

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                #137

                Move the goalpost much? The US is in “the west” and they consistently set the tone and run the show. Welcome to geopolitics hope you enjoy your stay!

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                • C [email protected]

                  Weirdly they are more progressive when it comes to prostitution; prostitution isnt illegal, but soliciting it is.

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                  #138

                  so, the Nordic model? how is it progressive to criminalize human functions?

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                    Yeah porn is so empowering.. Very progressive

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                    #139

                    you fucking idiot

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                    • eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.comE [email protected]

                      Really? I see 95% of the comments saying it's China fucking up and they don't like it.

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                      #140

                      Most upvoted comment: Attacking the source - Defending

                      2nd: No proof, but it's serious so people wouldn't lie - Benefit of the Doubt

                      3rd: "Rare China L" - Criticizing

                      4th: Attacking source, attacking extent - Defending

                      5th: "If it is happening it's probably because of taxes or some legit reason" - Defending

                      6th: "Making porn is illegal" - Defending

                      7th: "The whole thing smells a little fishy" - Defending

                      8th: Attacking source, 'not inclined to believe it' - Defending

                      9th: An author in another country wrote some pedophilic, this is probably the same - Defending

                      10th: Boo - Criticizing

                      11th: 'porn struggle session' - Unknown what way the comment leans.

                      12th: A quote from another article - Looks Criticizing

                      13th and least upvoted: "Hexbear users claim to unconditionally support queer rights and then try to run defence for this shit." - Criticizing

                      Defending: 7
                      Critic: 4 (maybe +2)

                      Where are you getting 95% from?

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                      • eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.comE [email protected]

                        Can't expect much from .world with such things.

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                        #141

                        And you can expect better from a .ml?

                        You're siding with a tankie over an anarchist here btw.

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                          so, the Nordic model? how is it progressive to criminalize human functions?

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                          Yes, the model common to the Nordic, Vietnam, Cuba, etc.

                          Not criminalizing solicitation or brothels increases the number of prostitutes who end up working under coercive conditions.

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                          • B [email protected]

                            "I've been warned not to talk about it," the woman wrote, before revealing snippets of the day she says she was arrested for publishing gay erotica.

                            "I'll never forget it - being escorted to the car in full view, enduring the humiliation of stripping naked for examination in front of strangers, putting on a vest for photos, sitting in the chair, shaking with fear, my heart pounding."

                            The handle, Pingping Anan Yongfu, is among at least 8 in recent months which have shared accounts on Chinese social media platform Weibo of being arrested for publishing gay erotic fiction. As authors recounted their experiences, dozens of lawyers offered pro bono help.

                            At least 30 writers, nearly all of them women in their 20s, have been arrested across the country since February, a lawyer defending one told the BBC. Many are out on bail or awaiting trial, but some are still in custody. Another lawyer told the BBC that many more contributors were summoned for questioning.

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                            and here's why the BBC is blocked in Vietnam

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                            • N [email protected]

                              Yeah porn is so empowering.. Very progressive

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                              You’re just a little fuck boy going around Lemmy stirring up trouble, fuck off

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                              • L [email protected]

                                My state literally made pornhub illegal today

                                They did not.
                                Words mean things.
                                Answered here.
                                Cite the law: you can't.

                                please stop doing apologia and/or propaganda

                                Right back at you: twisting the word illegal.
                                I disapprove of the dumb online ID regulations, too: still not illegal.
                                US isn't throwing pornographers & erotica writers in jail.

                                China has always banned porn

                                You said it.
                                Not banned in USA.

                                You’re welcome to sleepwalk into authoritarianism

                                Chinese government is already there.

                                US still has a long way to "catch up".
                                They're not

                                • sending Ughyers to reeducation camps or forced sterilizations
                                • organ harvesting the Falun Gong
                                • suppressing discussion of the times they've sent tanks against civilians.

                                The Chinese government doesn't care about individual rights & never has: it's baked into the formula.
                                They always put tankie ideology first, the individual later, sometimes far later.

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                                #145

                                Oh so youre actually just a propagandist, damn okay then. Im not engaging with you on made up terms and a belief that time doesn't move forward. I hope you get clowned in the debrief for this dogshit agitprop.

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                                  Oh so youre actually just a propagandist, damn okay then. Im not engaging with you on made up terms and a belief that time doesn't move forward. I hope you get clowned in the debrief for this dogshit agitprop.

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                                  #146

                                  still not citing a single law to prove porn is illegal

                                  Im not engaging with you

                                  Good thinking bailing now: looks like someone knows when they're beat.
                                  It would be incredibly easy to prove me wrong if your claim were true, yet you don't.
                                  Not hard to figure out why.

                                  I know facts don't support my argument, so I'll evade by calling them a propagandist & hope no one notices

                                  You basically: just because facts are inconvenient to your argument doesn't mean it's valid to ignore them, pretend they're "propaganda", or evade with irrelevant claims.

                                  So, cool fallacies & evasion, bro.
                                  You're 🤡ing yourself right here.

                                  Next time, try logic.

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