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Too bad we can't have good public transportation

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  • M [email protected]

    Are you suggesting that's why the US hasn't improved trains? Is there something about train improvements specifically that you think is harmful?

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    Wut

    You read that and were like "who cares about human lives and rights, why doesn't he want trains?"

    Yeah, love trains, and as far as I'm concerned the US can replace all its highways with trains

    But not at the expense of a couple of humans per kilometers because the government doesn't give a shit, or worse, you're an Uyghur

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      You say that, but... Iraq was a dictatorship, and they weren't all that efficient at anything other than killing Kurds.

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      That's because they're politically illiterate. The important difference is the economic model and its end goal. Is it to make a small elite super rich? Is it to meet the peoples' needs? The US is extremely efficient in creating a small class of super rich people (and by that I mean corporations too) while China is extremely efficient in switching to renewable energy and expanding high speed rail.

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      • nexguy@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

        Weird to compare a brutal dictatorship which violates human rights on the regular vs a democracy which violates human rights a little less.

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        a brutal dictatorship which violates human rights on the regular

        Don't you think you're a little harsh on the US?

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        • R [email protected]

          I wonder if the early proliferation of rural cars / mega expressways kinda fucked us. When your transportation network grows around trains, upgrading the trains/rails makes good economic sense. We just kind of spread out everywhere quickly and made the train locations somewhat irrelevant.

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          We just kind of spread out everywhere quickly and made the train locations somewhat irrelevant.

          Do you know any US history

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            We just kind of spread out everywhere quickly and made the train locations somewhat irrelevant.

            Do you know any US history

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            I know enough that it wasn't so much lobbying as it was advertising to the to the US citizens that made cars more popular. Ford figured out how to make it affordable then a bunch of companies that stood to make money on cars bought up streetcars and shut them down in favor of busses, but that doesn't actually answer the demise of long distance rail.

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            • I [email protected]

              You say that, but medical debt? Homelessness? Ice concentration camps for brown people? Highest incarceration rates, social credit (credit score), pedophile leaders...

              Europeans, feel free to complain about China. Americans have no right to complain about China.

              Not to be a tankie, but China taking over the US government would be an improvement

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              I AM European.

              Having said that, the US is a shit show and the Empire pretty much needs to be rebuilt from scrap at this point but it's still better than China.

              If you disagree I would suggest you go to China and start posting lots of tiananmen square videos from the 90's and then tell me which place is better.

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                I AM European.

                Having said that, the US is a shit show and the Empire pretty much needs to be rebuilt from scrap at this point but it's still better than China.

                If you disagree I would suggest you go to China and start posting lots of tiananmen square videos from the 90's and then tell me which place is better.

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                yhea, that's not nearly as bad as paying taxes to a pedophile to finance a death camp for brown people.

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                • W [email protected]

                  Not just trains but all transportation services and systems is severely lacking in this country. Along with crumbling infrastructure and terrible build quality of cars and trucks and you got a recipe for disaster. But no one will care cuz Merica!

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                  yeah it's so funny when people think the US has good car infrastructure, the truth is that the US just generally fucking sucks

                  yeah sure there's a lot of interstate highways which i guess you can consider good, but most people aren't using them for very large distances, most people are driving to and from work every day and that part is so hilariously miserable that i don't think people in the rest of the world truly believe it's a real thing that happens..

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                    I am as American as Pancetta.
                    It is just the glorification of China that is rubbing me the wrong way.

                    Their buildings are collapsing. Yes, it is built fast, cheap and looks nice.
                    And then it fails.

                    And the Chinese peope themselves. They suffer.

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                    when you're used to propaganda that says china is awful, seeing people say "china is pretty okay actually" looks like glorification.

                    No one is saying china is amazing, they're saying china is not actively stabbing themselves in the stomach. China is doing the blitheringly obvious things a country like that should be doing, things that most other countries can't be arsed to do because the people in power benefit from the status quo of things being shit.

                    They're not perfect, things go over budget and things get built shittily by bad companies, just like what happens in every other country on earth.

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                    • swedneck@discuss.tchncs.deS [email protected]

                      yeah it's so funny when people think the US has good car infrastructure, the truth is that the US just generally fucking sucks

                      yeah sure there's a lot of interstate highways which i guess you can consider good, but most people aren't using them for very large distances, most people are driving to and from work every day and that part is so hilariously miserable that i don't think people in the rest of the world truly believe it's a real thing that happens..

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                      Agreed! I live in a very rural part of the country and the conditions of the roads and highways are laughable.

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                        Agreed! I live in a very rural part of the country and the conditions of the roads and highways are laughable.

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                        not just that, but the design itself is often actively counterproductive, and the fact that driving is often the only way to get around means the roads are forced to handle an insane amount of traffic.

                        i like to say that the nordics are an example of actual car-centric design: the roads are simple and efficient and the other modes of transport are good enough, which means there aren't thousands and thousands of incompetent and unwilling drivers on the roads.

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                        • I [email protected]

                          yhea, that's not nearly as bad as paying taxes to a pedophile to finance a death camp for brown people.

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                          Please think about that when you're in a nice Chinese re-education camp

                          You just gotta love people like you who can't fathom simple ideas like "both are really really bad"

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                            I know enough that it wasn't so much lobbying as it was advertising to the to the US citizens that made cars more popular. Ford figured out how to make it affordable then a bunch of companies that stood to make money on cars bought up streetcars and shut them down in favor of busses, but that doesn't actually answer the demise of long distance rail.

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                            The US was built on steam trains going literally everywhere

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                              The US was built on steam trains going literally everywhere

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                              That's kind of the problem though. They're not everywhere now. There's a whole lot of places that are nowhere near a train line.

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                                This isn't even about government styles. This is just investing in infrastructure vs not doing that.

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                                • S [email protected]

                                  Congratulations, you figured out that China is a large country! It would be ridiculous to think that a country with 1.4 billion people would have less people dieing in traffic than a country with a smaller population.

                                  If you just go by absolute numbers, a large country will have more of absolutely everything than a small country.

                                  Now go back to your link and sort by "Je 100.000 Einwohner" and see how that changes the list.

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                                  But you understand that "je Einwohner" means shit with that density of cars?
                                  cant have a car crash when you ride a donkey.
                                  per car would make much more sense but that's the least the regime would care about which is why say 50k ppl died. i guess from how much their culture sucks it is 500k per year. 🙂

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                                    But you understand that "je Einwohner" means shit with that density of cars?
                                    cant have a car crash when you ride a donkey.
                                    per car would make much more sense but that's the least the regime would care about which is why say 50k ppl died. i guess from how much their culture sucks it is 500k per year. 🙂

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                                    If only that metric was included in the link above. Well, luckily it is. And guess what: When sorting by "je 100 000 motorisierte Fahrzeuge" ("per 100 000 motorized vehicles"), China ranks even much better.

                                    Sorting by per inhabitants puts China as the 68th worst country, so 67 countries are worse. Sorting by per motorized vehicels puts China as 115th worst, so 114 countries are worse.

                                    When looking at "per motorized vehicles" China is on par with Lettland.

                                    If only there was a way to follow the link and look at actual numbers before spouting made-up misinformation.

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                                      If only that metric was included in the link above. Well, luckily it is. And guess what: When sorting by "je 100 000 motorisierte Fahrzeuge" ("per 100 000 motorized vehicles"), China ranks even much better.

                                      Sorting by per inhabitants puts China as the 68th worst country, so 67 countries are worse. Sorting by per motorized vehicels puts China as 115th worst, so 114 countries are worse.

                                      When looking at "per motorized vehicles" China is on par with Lettland.

                                      If only there was a way to follow the link and look at actual numbers before spouting made-up misinformation.

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                                      this misinformation you are talking about it what i am talking about! yeah. finally.
                                      ofcourse the numbers are MUCH higher. coercion or killing of others is legit for motorists and the governments that need the industry.

                                      i am sure china is always and will always be among the worst of the worst.
                                      one of the oldest countries and still tourture,regime government and imbecile citizens.

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                                        this misinformation you are talking about it what i am talking about! yeah. finally.
                                        ofcourse the numbers are MUCH higher. coercion or killing of others is legit for motorists and the governments that need the industry.

                                        i am sure china is always and will always be among the worst of the worst.
                                        one of the oldest countries and still tourture,regime government and imbecile citizens.

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                                        You really have trouble understanding numbers, right?

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                                          You really have trouble understanding numbers, right?

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                                          LOL.

                                          If it was only about competence, I think throwing dice might yield better results than what many politicians are doing.

                                          that you and nUmbErS?
                                          that is called being disconnected with the world. maybe 4chan convinced you to love pervy chinese regime but "AFK" is where those cars actually drive. should check it out some time.

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