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Amazon is changing what is written in books

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  • B [email protected]

    Like… if the book is digital, why do you have to borrow and return? This makes no sense. They want to replicate a bad experience that doesn’t need to exist, what’s the point of that?

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    Pleasing the copyright holders. I don't know how it is for the Dutch national library, but with a system used by many libraries in the US there's a cost to the library based on the number of times it's checked out, so more revenue for the copyright holder and the digital middle man. Allowing you to have the e-book indefinitely would be, at least in their minds, no different than giving it away. 🤷

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      Pleasing the copyright holders. I don't know how it is for the Dutch national library, but with a system used by many libraries in the US there's a cost to the library based on the number of times it's checked out, so more revenue for the copyright holder and the digital middle man. Allowing you to have the e-book indefinitely would be, at least in their minds, no different than giving it away. 🤷

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      This could be solved in other ways. For example, the software can simply track what % of the books are actually read without this extra step of borrowing and returning. Just like when you listen to music on streaming services.

      Imagine if you had to select the specific album in a streaming service and choose to borrow it for x days, having to “return” it and borrow again if you wanted to keep listening, and being limited to 4 albums at a time.

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        Self hosting your email server, are you? How many hours a month does that take?

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        I use Tutanota for my email

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          The man who made that video is annoying. The story he read out was from the twits by Roald dahl, it was a few years back that those changes were made. Dahl was a great author but wasn’t a very pc person , his family have had to apologise for his anti semitism. So whoever is in charge of his works wanted to make them more modern and less insulting which misses the point of Dahl but anyway.
          They’ve done it with Enid blyton books too. In one of hers they have a dog called the n word so probably more necessary with her work lol.

          All amazon have done is update the digital edition to the match the latest edition. There’s a million things to hate Amazon for you don’t have to make things up. And also if you want books that can’t be altered buy a paper book, you own them and they don’t run out of electricity.

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          And also if you want books that can’t be altered buy a paper book

          The books on my 1st generation kindle have been there 15 years unchanged. Just don't connect devices to the internet that don't need to be connected to the internet.

          The "internet of things" that was sold to us is just a way for corporations to exert more control. I am pro-technology. I think an ebook reader is infinitely more useful and valuable than a paper book - I can fit tens of thousands of books on my Kindle, more than I could read in a lifetime, and a full charge lasts more than a month at a time.

          I can use whatever font I want, I can scale the size to what I want. I can change the margins, place bookmarks, gives a % of how far I am in a book, skip to chapters, etc.

          Like, it's objectively better than a book.

          But it doesn't need to be connected to the internet.

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          • N [email protected]

            Aphantasia?

            I think there's more than one kind of imagination. It's like the opposite of 'thinking outside the box'.

            Theirs is more like 'wow this box is big! I'm gonna get inside a smaller one'.

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            Not exactly aphantasia, though some kinds of imagination are close to that for me. Rather that something remote is very hard to imagine, while triggers, like sounds and smells and physical feelings and harmonic progressions, make something very easy to imagine.

            So if I know that I have to do something or else my head rolls off, the deadline being in 3 hours, I won't be as concentrated as the typical person.

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              But lets see the Positive side: Now the Nazis wont have to burn thousands of books, saving tons of co2 in their Plan to take over the world with propaganda. So, yay for the envoirment I guess

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              Uh, title is a bit clickbaity, editorialized. Amazon isn't changing books yet, they are planning to make it possible for publishers to do so, I think, and also recoking ownership. And the video is not great either.

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              • penquin@lemm.eeP [email protected]

                You can buy those books (if possible) from the publisher directly and load them onto your Kobo via a computer.

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                Yep, but it’s not something I can do with one click on the sofa, which was my original point

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                  Yep, but it’s not something I can do with one click on the sofa, which was my original point

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                  @lepinkainen @penquin Kobo has a basic browser so you probably could. I downloaded a few copyright-free books from standardebooks.org directly onto my Kobo the other day.

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                    Is indeed a fine example. Keeps raising the same questions: is it ok to rewrite books? We're supposed to be outraged when maga does it, but it's ok if we do it?

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                    I mean it's not an easy question to answer is it? How is my ideological position that 'nigger' is not acceptable and removing it makes the book suitable for modern readers any different from someone else's ideological position that, e.g., 'transgender' is not acceptable and removing it makes whatever book suitable for modern readers?

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                      But lets see the Positive side: Now the Nazis wont have to burn thousands of books, saving tons of co2 in their Plan to take over the world with propaganda. So, yay for the envoirment I guess

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                      Don’t use kindle? They aren’t the only ebook provider

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                      • flisty@mstdn.socialF [email protected]

                        @penquin @lepinkainen Kobo also comes preloaded with overdrive so you can get books from the library as well. The wait can be quite long though - but if you have enough on hold that doesn't really matter too much

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                        Does overdrive have only audio books or regular books, too?

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                        • penquin@lemm.eeP [email protected]

                          Does overdrive have only audio books or regular books, too?

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                          @penquin probably depends on your library but mine has plenty of normal books on there.

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                          • flisty@mstdn.socialF [email protected]

                            @lepinkainen @penquin Kobo has a basic browser so you probably could. I downloaded a few copyright-free books from standardebooks.org directly onto my Kobo the other day.

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                            I “could”, but it’s still a ton harder than just clicking “buy next book in series”

                            TBH it’s easier to plug calibre-web as a store in Kobo and just “acquire” all the books in all the series from … sources. Then you get the one click downloads easily 🤓

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                            • flisty@mstdn.socialF [email protected]

                              @penquin probably depends on your library but mine has plenty of normal books on there.

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                              @penquin to clarify, yes, it has loads of standard ebooks on there but it's up to your library how many copies, if any, of anything in the catalogue to make available. My library usually has about 3-4 copies of anything popular and you get them for two weeks, but you can delay the hold if your turn comes up and you're busy reading something else. If anything is crazy popular they will review and make more available to reduce the waiting time.

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                              • flisty@mstdn.socialF [email protected]

                                @penquin to clarify, yes, it has loads of standard ebooks on there but it's up to your library how many copies, if any, of anything in the catalogue to make available. My library usually has about 3-4 copies of anything popular and you get them for two weeks, but you can delay the hold if your turn comes up and you're busy reading something else. If anything is crazy popular they will review and make more available to reduce the waiting time.

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                                Thank you

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                                  I use Tutanota for my email

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                                  So, Google before the IPO.

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                                  • hossenfeffer@feddit.ukH [email protected]

                                    I mean it's not an easy question to answer is it? How is my ideological position that 'nigger' is not acceptable and removing it makes the book suitable for modern readers any different from someone else's ideological position that, e.g., 'transgender' is not acceptable and removing it makes whatever book suitable for modern readers?

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                                    Indeed, that's why i hate it that so many people here are raging about this while it's something both sides are doing...

                                    I get all the Trump & conservatives hate, but sometimes this community is raging over something that's just done by both sides... So being outraged about it is pretty hypocritical....

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                                    • hossenfeffer@feddit.ukH [email protected]

                                      I mean it's not an easy question to answer is it? How is my ideological position that 'nigger' is not acceptable and removing it makes the book suitable for modern readers any different from someone else's ideological position that, e.g., 'transgender' is not acceptable and removing it makes whatever book suitable for modern readers?

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                                      @Hossenfeffer @racemaniac n*r is deemed a slur *by the group it is used about*. "Transgender" is not. Changing references to be more inclusive/respectful of a group is very different to erasing the existence of a group entirely.

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                                      • finishingdutch@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                                        Sure, no platform will have everything. But for me personally, on YouTube Music, I’ve always been able to find what I was looking for. But I’m admittedly not what you’d call a music aficionado.

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                                        There's a problem with this "give them what they want and they won't pirate" when it comes to Spotify, yt music, etc:
                                        They can change the terms at any moment.
                                        AKA enshittification.

                                        If you downloaded it or bought a CD? Ain't no enshittification.

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                                        • N [email protected]

                                          Printing new editions of a book was always a thing

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                                          Quietly swapping your earlier edition with the current edition was not, however.

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