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German security officials believe the Kremlin is laying the groundwork for a potential large-scale conventional war with NATO by the end of the decade

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    Germany has to pump out these messages because they live so far from the critical border. It's easy to not understand the risk.

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    Germany is still so uncertain of the risk that they still use Russian gas even 4 years after saying they were going to stop.

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    • M [email protected]

      Nuclear exchange. Yeah it's possible they nukes were maintained about as well as their tanks. It's also possible that we're entirely fucked.

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      It's not just whether or not the missiles were maintained, they probably weren't, but due to the amount of corruption it's also possible they are lacking critical components that Russia thinks they still have.

      Every bad guy in every movie gets his nuclear material from some corrupt Russian military official. Maybe it's true.

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      • I [email protected]

        Correct, they would have to use the infrastructure attacks

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Baltic_Sea_submarine_cable_disruptions

        They can’t use article 5 preemptively

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        They can’t use article 5 preemptively

        USA did after 9/11.

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        • teknikal@eviltoast.orgT [email protected]

          A planned attack is still an attack. Waiting is stupid we should hit them with everything now if there's proof.

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          A planned attack is still an attack.

          It absolutely isn't.

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          • tryenjer@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

            Maybe this is a suicidal plan, Putin is going to die and wants to take the world with him. He is too megalomaniacal and sadistic to do that.

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            Just based on Trump's previous administration I'm confident that if he actually tried to do that it would cause serious arguments between the military and the executive branch. The military already decided to pretty much ignore him when he was going on in his last term about nuclear weapons, fortunately it never came up.

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              It's not just whether or not the missiles were maintained, they probably weren't, but due to the amount of corruption it's also possible they are lacking critical components that Russia thinks they still have.

              Every bad guy in every movie gets his nuclear material from some corrupt Russian military official. Maybe it's true.

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              Yeah? And if you're wrong we're fucked. To be clear it's not that you or I could do anything about it. We're just either fucked or going to have the world's biggest laugh at the Russians.

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                But is there a downside for the guy running our country?

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                There was no downside for Gaddafi.

                Until there was.

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                  You don't 'need' Russia, but it's mutually beneficial to have them on your side.

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                  ...

                  The only thing worse than having Russia as an enemy is having them as an ally.

                  They're a catastrophe in nation form, the best thing we can do is push them as close to China as possible and watch them shoot themselves in the dick.

                  That's why Trump is such a nightmare, he's showing them our dicks.

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                    They can’t use article 5 preemptively

                    USA did after 9/11.

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                    What was preemptive about 9/11? The US was attacked, therefore they invoked Article 5.

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                    • S [email protected]

                      Starting wars, especially world wars, is bad. I don't know what else to tell you.

                      Other than individual countries can take action if they decide to.

                      Perhaps you could drum up popular support amongst your citizenry and convince them to start a war.

                      Certainly been done before, you'd be in good company.

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                      The thing you aren't grasping is when they do attack a Nato country the rules are off the table they are going to be using tactical nukes definetely or possibly worse

                      In my opinion it's suicide to wait for a nuclear country to make the first move especially when there's a defense pact of 30+ smaller countries. They are going to use nukes the best we can hope for is their tactical ones on the battlefield.

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                      • E [email protected]

                        Well they can both be true, It just depends on Putin's mental state.

                        There was a rumor going around that he is dying and he is basically just doing this to try and make a name for himself, he will rebuild the USSR and it will stand for a thousand years as him as its founding father, and all that rubbish. Of course it's impossible for that to happen, but if he's dying anyway why not try?

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                        He has definitely made a name for himself. Can we just tell him it's positive and let him die so that the rest of the world can move on?

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                          cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/59867996

                          German media outlets Süddeutsche Zeitung, WDR, and NDR also cite the report, noting that Russian President Vladimir Putin appears intent on testing NATO’s Article 5 guarantees. The alliance’s mutual defence clause obliges member states to come to one another’s aid if attacked. The assessment suggests Putin may seek to challenge how seriously that commitment would be honoured.

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                          With what? I read yesterday they were not able to keep up with the losses from just fighting the ukraine.

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                            They can’t use article 5 preemptively

                            USA did after 9/11.

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                            The use of “after” in your statement should be a clue that you’re wrong

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                              They burned through their Soviet stockpiles of artillery and tanks in 3 years fighting Ukraine, what makes anyone think they could fight NATO?

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                              Well China is ready to make bank

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                                With what? I read yesterday they were not able to keep up with the losses from just fighting the ukraine.

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                                American tanks 😞

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                                  cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/59867996

                                  German media outlets Süddeutsche Zeitung, WDR, and NDR also cite the report, noting that Russian President Vladimir Putin appears intent on testing NATO’s Article 5 guarantees. The alliance’s mutual defence clause obliges member states to come to one another’s aid if attacked. The assessment suggests Putin may seek to challenge how seriously that commitment would be honoured.

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                                  Me too, I believe that. Anyone with half a brain believes that.

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                                    American tanks 😞

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                                    I wish I wasn't so sure you were right.

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                                      Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

                                      Russia has depleted its tank stocks: the industry is not covering combat losses

                                      Both of these cannot be true.

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                                      Hmm who do we know that will sell anything that isn't tied down and currently controls the US government and is buddy buddy with Putin? No, not Satan, but you are close!

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                                        cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/59867996

                                        German media outlets Süddeutsche Zeitung, WDR, and NDR also cite the report, noting that Russian President Vladimir Putin appears intent on testing NATO’s Article 5 guarantees. The alliance’s mutual defence clause obliges member states to come to one another’s aid if attacked. The assessment suggests Putin may seek to challenge how seriously that commitment would be honoured.

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                                        Honestly, I believe Europe needs to go on the offensive, we need a single unified offensive against Moscow with the intent of crippling the KGB and arresting Putin. They are both too dangerous to be left to their own devices.

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                                          Well China is ready to make bank

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                                          I don't think Russia has money either from all the sanctions. This all strikes me as extremely unlikely. They can't even get through Ukraine lol.

                                          But maybe they're just exaggerating to justify war spending just in case.

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