I feel so relieved!
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equate Gaza and Ukraine with
Huh? Gaza and Ukraine are completely different conflicts. Ukraine is a military invasion, Gaza is a genocide.
No, not according to the current definition
Can you post the current definition? I'm happy to argue about that, because i do maintain that it's a genocide in the case of Gaza because there's a manifest intent to eliminate an entire people, unlike the case of Ukraine.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Gaza and Ukraine are completely different conflicts.
Am just passing on what Ireland is doing.
Ireland will not be asserting if genocide is being committed, but asserting its interpretation of the Genocide Convention.
This is the same approach taken by Ireland in the Ukraine v Russia case.
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The current definition of Genocide is set out in Article II of the Genocide
Convention:Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in
whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated
to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.To constitute genocide, it also needs to be established that the victims are deliberately targeted — not randomly — because of their real or perceived membership of one of the four groups protected under the Convention. This means that the target of destruction must be
the group, as such, or even a part of it, but not its members as individuals.https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/Genocide Convention-FactSheet-ENG.pdf
By those exact metrics, I consider myself capable of judging that Israel is committing a genocide against Palestinians, and that Russia is committing war but not genocide in Ukraine.
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Even if they could, they wouldn't get the resources as cheaply as theyre getting them now. Also China has recall elections, if Xi went mad and unilaterally decided to go to war with a country so important to Chinas economy, he'd be booted so fast.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Ehhhh, you're only describing the other side of the calculation that we both know Xi is making. The moment that calculation shows invading Russia/India would maybe work, he'd probably go for it.
If the US removed itself from the global stage, I'd suspect Xi would focus more on the Pacific and Thaiwan, but if the calculations show he could own Russia/India too? Yeeaaaaa he's not passing that up.
Also, we all should know how China's votes go after Hong Kong... China is a dictatorship that calls itself communist. Nothing more.
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I'd find Germany less responsible for WWIII if maybe they ya know didn't support a genocidal terrorist ethnostate at the expense of domestically suppressing speech calling out that foreign policy, but I guess it just be like that sometimes
It's very mean of Germany that foreigners who trash University property and threaten their staff violently face deportation.
How can they do such a suppression of free speech?
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It's very mean of Germany that foreigners who trash University property and threaten their staff violently face deportation.
How can they do such a suppression of free speech?
foreigners who trash University property and threaten their staff violently face deportation
What are you referring to here?
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foreigners who trash University property and threaten their staff violently face deportation
What are you referring to here?
About the handful "poor and innocent protestors" which the Berlin government tried to deport for taking part in a violent occupation of the Berlin Free University, which then tried to claim this was a retaliation for "simple demonstrating against Israel."
Here are some pictures of the damages caused inside the university
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About the handful "poor and innocent protestors" which the Berlin government tried to deport for taking part in a violent occupation of the Berlin Free University, which then tried to claim this was a retaliation for "simple demonstrating against Israel."
Here are some pictures of the damages caused inside the university
Awesome. And it worked because it got the media to focus on the genocide even if it took further escalation and even if it was negative press. This is an entirely righteous and historically common way to raise attention that hey our government and university is complicit in the murder of 10s of thousands of kids and civilians. This is no different than the white rose resistance. Good for these students. They are heros who are risking their education, rights, and careers to give a voice to those who may not have one.
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Awesome. And it worked because it got the media to focus on the genocide even if it took further escalation and even if it was negative press. This is an entirely righteous and historically common way to raise attention that hey our government and university is complicit in the murder of 10s of thousands of kids and civilians. This is no different than the white rose resistance. Good for these students. They are heros who are risking their education, rights, and careers to give a voice to those who may not have one.
Oh so threatening innocent people with violence and thrashing public universities is righteous?
Completely disgusting. Cheering criminal activities is also a criminal offence in Germany
Also the Weiße Rose never attacked innocent people. So don't dirt their name by comparing them to these people
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Oh so threatening innocent people with violence and thrashing public universities is righteous?
Completely disgusting. Cheering criminal activities is also a criminal offence in Germany
Also the Weiße Rose never attacked innocent people. So don't dirt their name by comparing them to these people
While I don't tend to idolize America be any means, at least we have of freedom of speech. You focus on a protest in the context of a native ethnic group getting wiped off the face of the earth. There is mass starvation and civilian targeting. Its terrible that one person was injured and it's terrible this is what it takes for people to pay attention, but compared to genocide? You need to take a look at your priorities.
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While I don't tend to idolize America be any means, at least we have of freedom of speech. You focus on a protest in the context of a native ethnic group getting wiped off the face of the earth. There is mass starvation and civilian targeting. Its terrible that one person was injured and it's terrible this is what it takes for people to pay attention, but compared to genocide? You need to take a look at your priorities.
Wow, another comparison dumb as a rock. So if I murder an innocent person to get attention for Palestine, it's also okay, because compared to Genocide it's also not that bad?
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Wow, another comparison dumb as a rock. So if I murder an innocent person to get attention for Palestine, it's also okay, because compared to Genocide it's also not that bad?
No one was killed at Freie Universität. You can keep making up scenarios where protestors are killing people but again where are you priorities? That kids shouldn't protest by occupying university building? That's a historical way university students have protested. It brought pressure to end Vietnam and south African apartheid in my country.
I'm not your enemy. I just want you to know you are being closed minded. I understand violence is sometimes something that pops up in these moments, but you're missing the bigger picture. And why do you need to make fantastical scenarios when there are children being starved to death right now? What are you even trying to argue? That we should be genocidong Palestinians that we should ban students from occupying buildings at their university? I mean I think it's just odd that you can excuse killing of brown children in far away places but you can't excuse a janitor sho got injured in an occupation in protest of that genocide. It's just one sided and you should just think about it is all.
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No one was killed at Freie Universität. You can keep making up scenarios where protestors are killing people but again where are you priorities? That kids shouldn't protest by occupying university building? That's a historical way university students have protested. It brought pressure to end Vietnam and south African apartheid in my country.
I'm not your enemy. I just want you to know you are being closed minded. I understand violence is sometimes something that pops up in these moments, but you're missing the bigger picture. And why do you need to make fantastical scenarios when there are children being starved to death right now? What are you even trying to argue? That we should be genocidong Palestinians that we should ban students from occupying buildings at their university? I mean I think it's just odd that you can excuse killing of brown children in far away places but you can't excuse a janitor sho got injured in an occupation in protest of that genocide. It's just one sided and you should just think about it is all.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I never claimed someone was killed. I just wanted to know where you draw the line at "crimes justified to get attention to Palestine".
People can also occupy their university peacefully without destroying it and threatening staff.
Also, those comparisons you make still won't fly. Those crimes did nothing to improve the position of the people in Gaza, only stroking the ego of the people committing them.