Around the World, Many People Are Leaving Their Childhood Religions.
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So long as they’re not moving on to a new one, good. Religion is a plague on human society. We don’t need it holding us back.
Be careful that anti-theism may e as harmful as any fundamentalist religion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3D4tMVaO7kWhat I think is not that we should "abolish" religion (granted that I know you did not propose that. I'm just extrapolating from "religion is a plague")
I think we should move to exploring different religions without holding any of them as superior to the other, or at least not judging before reading a it more on your own accord and desire.
Someone pointed about issues on buddhism, which are true issues.
But eastern religions take from buddhism, taoism and confucionism religions and it is not uncommon to take a few different takes from each one of these as one goes in their own studies.
Same way, I think the rise of pagan religions would be useful to have the idea of being exposed to different concepts of religious ideas
Or similarly, different philosophical ideas, like reading from plato, but also from hume, but also from descartes, but also from....
As long as one doesn't stay stagnant on the same philosophical pool, there is no harm browsing (with sufficient care) other ideas.
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I hope it isn't like the similarly named subreddit where the moderator was against calling Elon's salute for what it was.
I'll be honest and a bit jaded, These "uplifting" comunities do feel a bit like the "this is fine" meme (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/this-is-fine)
Not that I am against uplifting news. I'm just cautious because I've seen a fair share of nazi dogwhistle associated with this idea.
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No. I mean, first of all let's start with the fact that both Winter solstice and Spring Equinox were so-called pagan holidays that Christianty subsumed. Right? Let's start there.
Then let's understand that those so-called pagan holidays were traditions based on earlier - much earlier - observances. And those observances were astronomical in origin.
The winter solstice is when the sun stops moving for three days - it rises in the same location whereas all the time before that it had been moving slightly every day.
After those three days it starts moving back. That's the birth. Life is born again. We're going to make it around the sun another time. That sort of thing.
Spring / Vernal equinox is when we make sure everyone has progeny. Rabbits. Flowers. Eggs. Chrisitanity decided to appropriate this one to mark Jesus' ascent into heaven. Fine. But irrelevant. Because it has nothing to do with life on earth - very literally, it's about leaving earth and going to heaven.
That's why there's such a disconnect about crucifixion and rabbits and eggs. They don't have anything to do with each other because the church yoinked a pagan tradition to keep people from celebrating it outside the church.
That makes a lot of sense. Until you consider that around Winter solstice, we don't celebrate the resurrection, but the birth. How do you explain that disconnect?
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Most people have already left, they just don't realise. If you don't go to church or mosque (probably not Buddhism or Hinduism) you already essentially betrayed the values you once were told to hold, but people are scared to admit because of metaphysical punishments in the afterlife
If not that, then public repercussions prevent them from admitting, and what once held the place of religion in communities is quickly being replaced with ideology instead, it provides community, tenets to follow, laws to abide by, and gives purpose for those who lack it
This started way in the past, and Russia would have likely also been more atheist than orthodox if the USSR didn't turn priests into martyrs by forcing a non religious status quo onto everyone and becoming a dictatorial tyrant with so called dictatorship of the "proletariat" which usually only turns into a dictatorship where only bureaucrats and party members exist in.
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Religon is brain cancer.
It's a control mechanism from some of the earliest human societies, and today it is a dangerous tool that was just left lying around for any con man to take advantage of.
I can’t find any sources for this now, but a while back I read an article that basically said in the 1500s (roughly) people were starting to turn against the rich holding the bulk of the wealth. So the rich met up with some priests over a tankard of mead and came up with the idea that the church should say the rich deserved their wealth.
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Whats funny is when they leave their childhood one and go to another. The new one seems better because they don't know enough about it.
Some do, some don't. Most ex-mormons like myself don't end up going to another religion. We already have a community of like-minded people on the outside.
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I can’t find any sources for this now, but a while back I read an article that basically said in the 1500s (roughly) people were starting to turn against the rich holding the bulk of the wealth. So the rich met up with some priests over a tankard of mead and came up with the idea that the church should say the rich deserved their wealth.
Haha, that's certainly a curious interpretation of the crisis of the 16th century. You're referring to this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_General_Crisis
This series basically modernises a classic book on the subject that's about 100 years old on the topic if you want to know more: https://hellonearth.chapotraphouse.com/views/podcast/
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Most people are not good without religion, they are good because of civilization. If society breaks down, everyone is going to get real mean, real quick.
The most evil people in Nazi Germany were generally anti-religious.
Hard disagree. Yes, when people are desperate they're capable of horrible things, but most people won't shoot a home intruder even if they went through the process of purchasing a gun for home defence and have someone break in. Everyone is capable of great evil, but they are not evil. Most people will choose to cooperate if they can.
Also, I'd say the most evil Nazis were religious. Their religion was Nazism though. They had a belief (that they were told was scientific, but wasn't) that some people were better than others, and some groups actively needed to be removed to make the rest of us better in the future. It's the same beliefs religions create, and it was also based in faith, just not of a god.
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I lately have started making my own ideas of systems for my kids. My name is just a bit spooky when handling religious topics.
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Haha, that's certainly a curious interpretation of the crisis of the 16th century. You're referring to this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_General_Crisis
This series basically modernises a classic book on the subject that's about 100 years old on the topic if you want to know more: https://hellonearth.chapotraphouse.com/views/podcast/
Dunno…too long ago for me to remember many details and as I said, I can’t find a source.
FWIW, those events took place in the USA though, and the article I’m referring to specifically mentioned the U.K.
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lol she'd make a great cleric
cleric character who is fed up with corruption and bigotry in their church and goes on a divine quest to establish the Church of We Just Want To Hang Out and Sing Hymns Without Anyone Making It Weird
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I'm a proud atheist. And I get where she is coming from. Community is lacking and that's sad.
it's a vicious cycle under capitalism. community breakdown pushes people into dependency on products and subscriptions, which means they have to work more hours to afford them, which means they then need more products and subscriptions because they have less free time, but then they'll need to work more hours to afford it, repeat ad absurdum until social collapse
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Religon is brain cancer.
It's a control mechanism from some of the earliest human societies, and today it is a dangerous tool that was just left lying around for any con man to take advantage of.
I think religion is capable of doing great things, but yeah, more often than not it seems to be a gateway to fascism and other extreme right dictatorships.
The red text of Jesus was based. It taught me that God weeps for the sparrows so we also should value and protect nature. Jesus washing the disgusting feet of people who walked around all day in sandals without socks taught me that truly great leaders use their position to serve the weak and vulnerable. Jesus warning that it was impossible for the wealthy to enter heaven and ordering us to take care of the poor just like we would take care of him if he needed it taught me empathy and helped me become a communist.
So yeah, Christian communism is based, but Christianity under capitalism becomes a tool of fascism.
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I can’t find any sources for this now, but a while back I read an article that basically said in the 1500s (roughly) people were starting to turn against the rich holding the bulk of the wealth. So the rich met up with some priests over a tankard of mead and came up with the idea that the church should say the rich deserved their wealth.
That is weird to me because Jesus repeatedly condemned the rich. He even violently kicked them out of temples by whipping them and flipping tables. Jesus even said the wealthy will never enter into heaven. Jesus was essentially a proto-communist
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That is weird to me because Jesus repeatedly condemned the rich. He even violently kicked them out of temples by whipping them and flipping tables. Jesus even said the wealthy will never enter into heaven. Jesus was essentially a proto-communist
I agree. I look at it this way…how many of those that claim to be Christian actually have Christian values or live by the Ten Commandments?
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Yeah, probably not enough of the to create real change though.
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That makes a lot of sense. Until you consider that around Winter solstice, we don't celebrate the resurrection, but the birth. How do you explain that disconnect?
This explains some of the reasoning, although because it was 350 CE they can't confirm anything with 100% certainty. Such is history.
What is certain to anyone who has studied it even a little bit is that the winter solstice was near-universally recognized by all cultures prior to the common era.
December 25 is very often the solstice, or close enough to it that it was selected by some as the annual celebration for their deity of choice. As the article notes, in Rome that was the birthday of Sol Invictus. It's also the birthday of Saturn, Mithras, and depending on whether you believe some fourth-century Christian authors, also Horus.
So Pope Julius "chose" - note that no one is in any doubt the date was selected, it wasn't like Jesus' old birthday cards were found and everyone knew that was his actual birthday - Pope Julius chose Dec 25 as the annual celebration day for Jesus. That became known as his birthday. But it wasn't. What it WAS was the winter solstice.
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Dunno…too long ago for me to remember many details and as I said, I can’t find a source.
FWIW, those events took place in the USA though, and the article I’m referring to specifically mentioned the U.K.
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I can’t find any sources for this now, but a while back I read an article that basically said in the 1500s (roughly) people were starting to turn against the rich holding the bulk of the wealth. So the rich met up with some priests over a tankard of mead and came up with the idea that the church should say the rich deserved their wealth.
It’s nothing new either. Kings were given divine rule before capitalism was a thing for centuries before.
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I can’t find any sources for this now, but a while back I read an article that basically said in the 1500s (roughly) people were starting to turn against the rich holding the bulk of the wealth. So the rich met up with some priests over a tankard of mead and came up with the idea that the church should say the rich deserved their wealth.
The south were pissed the north judged them for slavery, so they schismed the Baptist church to the southern Baptist church, where the only difference is that slavery was a commandment from God, and black people deserved it becausw of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham?wprov=sfla1
It's weird how many religions tell you to obey priests without question, isn't it?
