Around the World, Many People Are Leaving Their Childhood Religions.
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I can’t find any sources for this now, but a while back I read an article that basically said in the 1500s (roughly) people were starting to turn against the rich holding the bulk of the wealth. So the rich met up with some priests over a tankard of mead and came up with the idea that the church should say the rich deserved their wealth.
That is weird to me because Jesus repeatedly condemned the rich. He even violently kicked them out of temples by whipping them and flipping tables. Jesus even said the wealthy will never enter into heaven. Jesus was essentially a proto-communist
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That is weird to me because Jesus repeatedly condemned the rich. He even violently kicked them out of temples by whipping them and flipping tables. Jesus even said the wealthy will never enter into heaven. Jesus was essentially a proto-communist
I agree. I look at it this way…how many of those that claim to be Christian actually have Christian values or live by the Ten Commandments?
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Yeah, probably not enough of the to create real change though.
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That makes a lot of sense. Until you consider that around Winter solstice, we don't celebrate the resurrection, but the birth. How do you explain that disconnect?
This explains some of the reasoning, although because it was 350 CE they can't confirm anything with 100% certainty. Such is history.
What is certain to anyone who has studied it even a little bit is that the winter solstice was near-universally recognized by all cultures prior to the common era.
December 25 is very often the solstice, or close enough to it that it was selected by some as the annual celebration for their deity of choice. As the article notes, in Rome that was the birthday of Sol Invictus. It's also the birthday of Saturn, Mithras, and depending on whether you believe some fourth-century Christian authors, also Horus.
So Pope Julius "chose" - note that no one is in any doubt the date was selected, it wasn't like Jesus' old birthday cards were found and everyone knew that was his actual birthday - Pope Julius chose Dec 25 as the annual celebration day for Jesus. That became known as his birthday. But it wasn't. What it WAS was the winter solstice.
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Dunno…too long ago for me to remember many details and as I said, I can’t find a source.
FWIW, those events took place in the USA though, and the article I’m referring to specifically mentioned the U.K.
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I can’t find any sources for this now, but a while back I read an article that basically said in the 1500s (roughly) people were starting to turn against the rich holding the bulk of the wealth. So the rich met up with some priests over a tankard of mead and came up with the idea that the church should say the rich deserved their wealth.
It’s nothing new either. Kings were given divine rule before capitalism was a thing for centuries before.
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I can’t find any sources for this now, but a while back I read an article that basically said in the 1500s (roughly) people were starting to turn against the rich holding the bulk of the wealth. So the rich met up with some priests over a tankard of mead and came up with the idea that the church should say the rich deserved their wealth.
The south were pissed the north judged them for slavery, so they schismed the Baptist church to the southern Baptist church, where the only difference is that slavery was a commandment from God, and black people deserved it becausw of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham?wprov=sfla1
It's weird how many religions tell you to obey priests without question, isn't it?
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That is weird to me because Jesus repeatedly condemned the rich. He even violently kicked them out of temples by whipping them and flipping tables. Jesus even said the wealthy will never enter into heaven. Jesus was essentially a proto-communist
Former Christian here, I'm still very partial to this verse:
Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries that are coming upon you! Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasure in the last days. Indeed the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. You have lived on the earth in pleasure and luxury; you have fattened your hearts as in a day of slaughter. You have condemned, you have murdered the just; he does not resist you.
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Yeah, probably not enough of the to create real change though.
It will, especially when they become a majority
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If your religion is somehow linked to the place you were born it's not your religion. You are indoctrinated.
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Youngest of 5 i never even had a chance to believe in Santa.
I have always believe that religious and non religious people have both dismissed the existence of different forms of life, though. Not supernatural or extraterrestrial but more non-carbon based.
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I agree. I look at it this way…how many of those that claim to be Christian actually have Christian values or live by the Ten Commandments?
...how many [...] actually have Christian values...
All of them, it's how you know what "Christian values" really are (not just the cleaned-up public-facing image they use for marketing) and it turns out they're pretty shit.
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Most people are not good without religion, they are good because of civilization. If society breaks down, everyone is going to get real mean, real quick.
The most evil people in Nazi Germany were generally anti-religious.
The most evil people in Nazi Germany were generally anti-religious.
Unless you're excluding old Adolf from that list (which would be both interesting and telling), this is not correct. A lot of people forget about him though.
Just sounds like the usual "no true Christ-man" being resurrected whenever there's some atrocity for the church to slink away from once it becomes unpopular.
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Or the ones who hate colored people
But just look at how it brings people together (to rape the kids and hate the minorities). Surely there's societal value in leaving them a breeding ground.
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If counting Christianity then it will be a lot higher. I'm baptised and stuff like that, but that was just tradition. I never believed in a god.
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Dunno…too long ago for me to remember many details and as I said, I can’t find a source.
FWIW, those events took place in the USA though, and the article I’m referring to specifically mentioned the U.K.
A yes in 16th century USA
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Most people have already left, they just don't realise. If you don't go to church or mosque (probably not Buddhism or Hinduism) you already essentially betrayed the values you once were told to hold, but people are scared to admit because of metaphysical punishments in the afterlife
If not that, then public repercussions prevent them from admitting, and what once held the place of religion in communities is quickly being replaced with ideology instead, it provides community, tenets to follow, laws to abide by, and gives purpose for those who lack it
This started way in the past, and Russia would have likely also been more atheist than orthodox if the USSR didn't turn priests into martyrs by forcing a non religious status quo onto everyone and becoming a dictatorial tyrant with so called dictatorship of the "proletariat" which usually only turns into a dictatorship where only bureaucrats and party members exist in.
Honor killings still occur in many religious countries or in migrant families from those countries so yeah people are afraid to admit that they don’t believe.
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A yes in 16th century USA
lol. Bit of an error there on my part.
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If I were to guess why its probably because religious communities always tend to lean into hateful rhetoric against "others".
People realize the closer you are to religion the further from God you feel as you couldn't believe that judgement of other humans is wise from an all knowing being if it exists.
Then the internet of course gives so many alternate sane opinions for consumption and exposure readily at your fingertips.
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If I were to guess why its probably because religious communities always tend to lean into hateful rhetoric against "others".
People realize the closer you are to religion the further from God you feel as you couldn't believe that judgement of other humans is wise from an all knowing being if it exists.
Then the internet of course gives so many alternate sane opinions for consumption and exposure readily at your fingertips.
Ex-Roman Catholic here. I was never particularly devout but this is what drove me away from the church once and for all. I have never seen people preach about God’s love with so much hate in their hearts.
