What’s even the appeal of Linux?
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Linux is objectivly hard to use. Sure if you use it everyday for years and years and memorize all the commands and stuff, you can probably figure out most stuff without searching, but as someone who has only been using Linux for a few years, and is a mere amature C++ programmer, installing anything or even doing basic tasks is often a multi hour process, that requires a snack and a nap afterwards, with a maybe 50% success rate. Just adding a script to autorun at boot was something that took me a few hours and probably dozens of lines of shell. Im moving to debian soon though, which should maybe help since i dont have to deal with containers and and overlay filesystem and all that nonsense. Linux really needs to lean into UI development, simplicity, and intutive design. I still struggle to find files in linux without links. KDE has come a long way in recent years. I can now do things like scale my screen size without hours of research, shell hacking, and autoruns. Linux will never become mainstream unless the typical user can do nearly everything without ever touching the shell. That has always been the thing that has held Linux back besides game compatability. Now that valve is finally creating a more normie friendly version of linux with game compatability and a sort of complete UI. It might actually overtake windows. Its still a massive pain in the butt compared to windows- double click an exe or msi to install your software. If i need to find a file on Windows, I don't even need a search function. I can just find it in less then a minute. Linux definitly has some big flaws and bad design decisions. Modern womdows isnoretty terrible compared to 7 and before but it is still much easier to use for almost every task.
installing anything
I've been using Mint and KDE Neon on two of my machines for the past year, and I still have to search for how to install an app image properly.
Its one of those things that isn't the end of the world, and I guess there are increasing numbers of Snap/Flatpak packages. And, of course apt. And whatever application manager your distro comes with.
But some software is available either to be compiled by the user, or as an app image. And I don't understand why that image can't just be dropped in an application folder and run, the same way it works in macOS.
But I'm a relative noob. I assume there's a historical reason.
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Vim doesn’t care if it’s running in Linux or Windows or macOS
What finally pushed me over the edge was when I was trying to fix something in Windows and it said I couldn’t access that part of the OS. Bitch, you work for me, not the other way around. I’ve flopped back and forth between Linux and Windows for decades and just decided that anything I couldn’t do in Linux I just wouldn’t do. So far, I haven’t really encountered anything. With how much of my average computing is done in a browser these days, Firefox doesn’t really care which OS it’s running on.
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Java, AI dev tools, and Python, are all not linux-specific things what so ever.
You speak as someone who thinks you know more than you do. I suggest ACTUALLY getting back to basics, ACTUALLY learn the linux file system like its folder structure and how it treats everything like a file, ACTUALLY learn how most linux distros primarily use package managers and what those are, and ACTUALLY learn how all the tools you want to use exist as separate entities with their own designs and philosophies. Then maybe how all of the software components in Linux are chopped up and distributed might make more sense.
You are delusional.
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Which is a nano clone.
Which is a Windows Notepad clone
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...like?
Nearly everything that edits text. Maybe with the lone exception of edlin or sed.
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Vim doesn’t care if it’s running in Linux or Windows or macOS
Gaming. I know Steam has done a lot for Linux gaming but most game developers focus on Windows.
Not all games run on Linux and some require extra steps. Some wont run on Linux, period. Driver supports and new features are always windows first.
Some people use other store fronts, other than Steam. It is a pain to run them on Linux. there are several launchers on Linux but they don't work for all games and support is not consistent.
For gaming, it is still windows, not Linux or Mac OS.
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Gaming. I know Steam has done a lot for Linux gaming but most game developers focus on Windows.
Not all games run on Linux and some require extra steps. Some wont run on Linux, period. Driver supports and new features are always windows first.
Some people use other store fronts, other than Steam. It is a pain to run them on Linux. there are several launchers on Linux but they don't work for all games and support is not consistent.
For gaming, it is still windows, not Linux or Mac OS.
Vim is kinda like a game. Except instead of a, s, w, d its h, j, k, l
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Good to know, i havnt researched mint much, but im trying to find the most simple system so i can learn linux on a deep level. Basically the temple OS or Dos or windows XP of linux. Not simple as in UI but in file system and stuff. Debian lets me install KDE which i like so the UI side is fine. Its a bit trickier to understand overlay file systems and stuff.
Maybe half of the software I use is in the discover store. I for whatever reason end up using quite a bit of niche software. I have improved a good bit with installing from scripts and stuff. Sometimes i need to install stuff into the OS tree to get it to work and use propeitary binaries. Installing java, AI dev tools, certian versions of Python to get software to work or compile Its annoying, but im moving to debian which should help with many of these things if i can manage to get it installed.
Managing multiple versions of python and other dev tooling can be made simple with something like:
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Vim doesn’t care if it’s running in Linux or Windows or macOS
wrote last edited by [email protected]It depends on the user.
If you'll install GNU/Linux distribution as a nooby, choose some easy distribution - most probably it will install a lot of bloatware, and possibly could be unstable...
But if you'll go into details and learn the basic you could install some better distro, which you will install manually, and you will install all you need, no bloat.
If you will, here are the perks:- Stability (it also depends on your hardware.. NVIDIA for example is pretty bad, but Intel or AMD is great. Must be better stability than on Windows, if you'll not fk up)
- Performance (since you installed everything by yourself, and you will have no bloat, telemetry and etc. you will run the OS with great performance)
- Security (vulns on big distros are getting fixed fastly, and there are less vulns than on Windows, also less viruses you could get on a desktop)
- Customizability (you could change anything you want, desktop environment, sometimes init system, pretty much anything but it depends on a distro and your skills)
Me, as a.. I would say half a professional GNU/Linux user, would recommend Void Linux for half-experienced or experienced user, because I like the runit init system and the stability, even though it's rolling model.
But for a newbie... I don't know. All of them I tried - they had problems. So it's better to either endure, either start from a not-so-hard distro like Void Linux.
EDIT: oh yeah.. I read a lot of comments here and I would also add that the system is free, open-source (with Linux-libre), and it's also not so bad at gaming since Steam made Proton, a fork of Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator). I also game sometimes and I use Lutris.. Don't know if there any other cooler alternative heh.
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Vim doesn’t care if it’s running in Linux or Windows or macOS
- Lighter
- Better on weaker hardware
- More options how you set up your system: Desktop Environments/Window Managers.
- Free and Open Source (so no paying out the arse for Windows).
- More Software options.
- Better Security.
- No monitoring by your OS provider.
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Linux is objectivly hard to use. Sure if you use it everyday for years and years and memorize all the commands and stuff, you can probably figure out most stuff without searching, but as someone who has only been using Linux for a few years, and is a mere amature C++ programmer, installing anything or even doing basic tasks is often a multi hour process, that requires a snack and a nap afterwards, with a maybe 50% success rate. Just adding a script to autorun at boot was something that took me a few hours and probably dozens of lines of shell. Im moving to debian soon though, which should maybe help since i dont have to deal with containers and and overlay filesystem and all that nonsense. Linux really needs to lean into UI development, simplicity, and intutive design. I still struggle to find files in linux without links. KDE has come a long way in recent years. I can now do things like scale my screen size without hours of research, shell hacking, and autoruns. Linux will never become mainstream unless the typical user can do nearly everything without ever touching the shell. That has always been the thing that has held Linux back besides game compatability. Now that valve is finally creating a more normie friendly version of linux with game compatability and a sort of complete UI. It might actually overtake windows. Its still a massive pain in the butt compared to windows- double click an exe or msi to install your software. If i need to find a file on Windows, I don't even need a search function. I can just find it in less then a minute. Linux definitly has some big flaws and bad design decisions. Modern womdows isnoretty terrible compared to 7 and before but it is still much easier to use for almost every task.
No, it isn't. Using Linux is only as hard as you want it to be. There are plenty of user-friendly choices that purposefully mimic familiar desktop environments and require little to no terminal knowledge for basic use. If you chose something like Gentoo or Arch as your first taste then that's your fault, not the OS's.
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- Lighter
- Better on weaker hardware
- More options how you set up your system: Desktop Environments/Window Managers.
- Free and Open Source (so no paying out the arse for Windows).
- More Software options.
- Better Security.
- No monitoring by your OS provider.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Seriously, do people pay for windows? I've transitioned one copy I got on my laptop a dozen years ago through a few separate pc builds. And duplicated another key, which was quite easy. The verifications for windows are super easy to bypass by a non-tech intelligent user
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Seriously, do people pay for windows? I've transitioned one copy I got on my laptop a dozen years ago through a few separate pc builds. And duplicated another key, which was quite easy. The verifications for windows are super easy to bypass by a non-tech intelligent user
do people pay for windows?
Yes. When you buy your computer, the cost of Windows is added onto the computer's cost. Just for context, a Dell XPS 13 Laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled is £1,149.01, with Windows it's £1,199.00. When you get the chance to have Linux preinstalled or even just have no OS pre installed, you find it's cheaper than having Windows Preinstalled.
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do people pay for windows?
Yes. When you buy your computer, the cost of Windows is added onto the computer's cost. Just for context, a Dell XPS 13 Laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled is £1,149.01, with Windows it's £1,199.00. When you get the chance to have Linux preinstalled or even just have no OS pre installed, you find it's cheaper than having Windows Preinstalled.
That's for laptops, not desktops
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That's for laptops, not desktops
It's the same for desktops. There's no difference between Operating systems for laptops or desktops. Your can use the same install media for both with little to no difference.
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It's the same for desktops. There's no difference between Operating systems for laptops or desktops. Your can use the same install media for both with little to no difference.
Windows does not come with a desktop, unless you're buying pre built, in which case you don't mind spending extra money for the same product
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Vim doesn’t care if it’s running in Linux or Windows or macOS
wrote last edited by [email protected]Makes dumb people feel smart.
Gives people who lack agency in life something they use to look down on others, despite no one caring.
For a tiny majority that have them. It is a useful red flag for your loved ones, that the slide of mental illness continues.
They secretly desire to be seen as hackers by others; reality is they are hacks.
They lack the ability to enjoy self deprecating humor and handle feelings but this is most often expressed by downvoting.
The inky blackness of terminal screens to sates their inner emo.
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No, it isn't. Using Linux is only as hard as you want it to be. There are plenty of user-friendly choices that purposefully mimic familiar desktop environments and require little to no terminal knowledge for basic use. If you chose something like Gentoo or Arch as your first taste then that's your fault, not the OS's.
Well im sure that's true for most people who just browse the web and stuff, but I do many complex things with my PC. Double clicking an installer is just always easier to install software. That was the first big mistake of linux tbh. Not having a standard gui type way to install 3rd party software. App stores are cool, dont get me wrong, but its not a replacement for just double clicking a downloaded file that interacts with a standard set of tools on your PC. I know there are reasons for this, linux is only a kernel and what not. I have been using windows since idk 95 i think when i was like 6 years old. It is definitly way easier to do just about anything. That is because windows was designed to be as simple and cross compatible as possible. Xp and 7 were the best versions of windows unless you were too dumb to avoid getting malware or something. For whatever reason, most people were too dumb to avoid getting maleware because they hard no artistic sense. I could always detect the quality of the mind which made a website, and i knew bad artists were the ones who likely had bad morals, and had malware. Also personality. It was simple for me to avoid malware and i never did get it, maybe twice over like 20 years.
Windows died and so i started to use linux a few years ago. The hardest thing i ever had to do in windows was probably link libraries in C++, almost everything in linux is that hard. The people who make linux just will never understand that the average user will never want to spend hundreds of hours a year maintaining their system. 90% of people cannot even understand if a simple logical statement is true or not. Half of them can barely read. Kid these days dont even know how to use something thats not a touch screen, older people over 60% of them cant send an email without help, and these people are supposed to download xrandr for their linux machine and create a custom startup script in system d, to make their tv display correctly? Madness. I feel like i may have walked into a cult. If you guys are like Linux devs, that is extreamly cool fr, atleast to me, but you are delusional if you think linux is easier to use then windows. It has come a long way. Bazzite is the first distro that i feel comfortable recomending to normies, and i recomend it to many people who are trying to escape the trashpile that is modern windows. Learning liinux has been difficult though, maybe because i dont have tons of free time and energy anymore like when i was younger. It is coming a long way however thxs to lord gaben and his push to make linux more mainstream, so the personal PC market doesnt die completly with whatever the hell microsoft and apple are doing these days, probably trying to micromanage their users, e force moral sogma, and use nudge theory on them because the people who run most companies in America are actually dumb incels at this point.
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Vim doesn’t care if it’s running in Linux or Windows or macOS
Wanted to reply until I saw its a shitpost... You nearly had me
