Teslas turn toxic as sales crash in Europe and the UK

[halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world]

Keep in mind a lot of people purchased their vehicles back when Tesla actually seemed to be following their states goals, before many FSD debacles, and well before Elon's purchase of Twittera and shift to being a public Nazi.

[hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz]

Implying that there could be nazis who don’t really support white supremacist values, but are a part of the movement due to peer pressure or something?

[cyberegg@discuss.tchncs.de]

Sure the Electric version of the Peugeot 208 or the fiat 500 may lack a bit range to be usable,

Um, I disagree. According to ADAC (german automobile club) testings, a Fiat 500 EV has a range of 150 km or 250 km (small and big battery, respectively). Even 150 km is perfectly fine for the daily ride to work and some groceries on the way home.
The latest Peugeot e-208 according to ADAC tests has a range of 360 km.
For comparison: ADAC tested the Skoda Enyaq 85x (their test winner for compact cars in that testing cycle) in march 24 with 300-450 km. Both the Fiat 500 and the Peugeot 208 are designed for urban environments though, and you don't need a huge range there. Both cars have adequate ranges for their environment.
(Both are way too expensive though, but that is a common issue among european BEVs.)

[halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world]

Simple, when I purchased my Model 3 back when it launched in 2018, I was making 150 mile trips weekly. The other available EVs either had less than 100 mile range, or were made by other brands that already make shit ICE vehicles (so why would I trust them to make good EVs with new tech) like Ford/Chevy. Or they were on the much higher end of pricing, competing against the expensive Tesla models, not the new cheaper Model 3.

There wasn't much of a middle ground, either a grocery getter like the Leaf, or expensive luxury models at $80k+. There still isn't much in the middle market honestly.

[witty_username@feddit.nl]

Awful attempt at alliteration

[allnewtypeface@leminal.space]

Or at least installing a ROLL COAL button

[sucius1@lemdro.id]

At least for Europe that's not the case any more. The US market might be different but here there's plenty of cars in the €25/30k range with 350+ km range from the traditional manufacturers. They also have established dealership networks for repairs, financing, testing, etc.

I really think Tesla has ficked it up big time, at least here.

[obelix@feddit.org]

I'm also not buying Space Internet from a Space Nazi.

[icytoes@sh.itjust.works]

Sounds like backup stickers are an important consumable you need to own with the Nazi car.

[p00ptart@lemmy.world]

Horseshit. By 2021, it was already known that he was human garbage.

[trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works]

As far as I am concerned, That space Nazi should fuck off into space yesterday.

[casmael@lemm.ee]

I think as we move forward in time the line between ‘Nazi’ and ‘supporter of the Nazi party’ and ‘collaborator with nazis’ becomes blurred. When looking at ww2 and the time when the Nazi party ruled in Germany, we don’t make that kind of distinction in general.

[casmael@lemm.ee]

That violin looks a bit large

[casmael@lemm.ee]

When would you say was the point where it became really obvious that musk was an extremely bad person? Because for a while there he had a great pr team and was widely regarded as ‘the eccentric maverick shaking up the EV industry’. Any watershed you’d point to?

[casmael@lemm.ee]

The ‘swasticar’

[casmael@lemm.ee]

Which models are you referencing as alternatives? Genuinely curious

[p00ptart@lemmy.world]

Fighting the union at Tesla was a big one for me. But you're right, he did have great pr early on.

[rumschlumpel@feddit.org]

He called a thai cave diver a pedophile in 2018, which pretty much started the complete crumbling of his image as ... well, not a complete asshole.

[hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz]

Yeah definitely in a WW2 Germany there were plenty of people who just decided to go with the flow. I think that most people who nowadays get labeled nazis are mostly hard core racists. The number of passive supporters and collaborators is probably rather small by comparison.

[jesus_666@lemmy.world]

I know someone who bought one after the first FSD debacles because at the time it was the only available electric car rated to pull his trailer when fully loaded; most electrics wouldn't do more than 750 kg. He doesn't give a shit about FSD but he does have a big trailer.

Probably a bit of a bad look these days, though, given that he's politically active for the local Green Party.