Teslas turn toxic as sales crash in Europe and the UK

[halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world]

Simple, when I purchased my Model 3 back when it launched in 2018, I was making 150 mile trips weekly. The other available EVs either had less than 100 mile range, or were made by other brands that already make shit ICE vehicles (so why would I trust them to make good EVs with new tech) like Ford/Chevy. Or they were on the much higher end of pricing, competing against the expensive Tesla models, not the new cheaper Model 3.

There wasn't much of a middle ground, either a grocery getter like the Leaf, or expensive luxury models at $80k+. There still isn't much in the middle market honestly.

[witty_username@feddit.nl]

Awful attempt at alliteration

[allnewtypeface@leminal.space]

Or at least installing a ROLL COAL button

[sucius1@lemdro.id]

At least for Europe that's not the case any more. The US market might be different but here there's plenty of cars in the €25/30k range with 350+ km range from the traditional manufacturers. They also have established dealership networks for repairs, financing, testing, etc.

I really think Tesla has ficked it up big time, at least here.

[obelix@feddit.org]

I'm also not buying Space Internet from a Space Nazi.

[icytoes@sh.itjust.works]

Sounds like backup stickers are an important consumable you need to own with the Nazi car.

[p00ptart@lemmy.world]

Horseshit. By 2021, it was already known that he was human garbage.

[trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works]

As far as I am concerned, That space Nazi should fuck off into space yesterday.

[casmael@lemm.ee]

I think as we move forward in time the line between ‘Nazi’ and ‘supporter of the Nazi party’ and ‘collaborator with nazis’ becomes blurred. When looking at ww2 and the time when the Nazi party ruled in Germany, we don’t make that kind of distinction in general.

[casmael@lemm.ee]

That violin looks a bit large

[casmael@lemm.ee]

When would you say was the point where it became really obvious that musk was an extremely bad person? Because for a while there he had a great pr team and was widely regarded as ‘the eccentric maverick shaking up the EV industry’. Any watershed you’d point to?

[casmael@lemm.ee]

The ‘swasticar’

[casmael@lemm.ee]

Which models are you referencing as alternatives? Genuinely curious

[p00ptart@lemmy.world]

Fighting the union at Tesla was a big one for me. But you're right, he did have great pr early on.

[rumschlumpel@feddit.org]

He called a thai cave diver a pedophile in 2018, which pretty much started the complete crumbling of his image as ... well, not a complete asshole.

[hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz]

Yeah definitely in a WW2 Germany there were plenty of people who just decided to go with the flow. I think that most people who nowadays get labeled nazis are mostly hard core racists. The number of passive supporters and collaborators is probably rather small by comparison.

[jesus_666@lemmy.world]

I know someone who bought one after the first FSD debacles because at the time it was the only available electric car rated to pull his trailer when fully loaded; most electrics wouldn't do more than 750 kg. He doesn't give a shit about FSD but he does have a big trailer.

Probably a bit of a bad look these days, though, given that he's politically active for the local Green Party.

[stardust@lemmy.ca]

There's a lot of gaslighting lately to try and come across as more palatable to the mainstream audience with people saying stuff like it's not a Nazi salute or people are too sensitive these days when it inappropriate comments.

So there's people who gaslight others, and some who are gaslighting themselves into trying to convince themselves there is nothing wrong with the people and ideologies they support. Which isn't rare and often seen when it comes to support of celebrities who've been accused of bad things as an example.

There's also people who know they would not be accepted by Nazis because of their background, but still share a lot of the same discriminatory beliefs leading to some degree of fondness.

[sucius1@lemdro.id]

It really depends on your exact needs but there's plenty to choose from. This is not an exhaustive list, but I've been looking for a few months because I need to retire my old ICE Volvo and these are some of the ones that caught my eye. I tend to take the train or plane when the trip is 3+h, so I might go for one of the cheaper ones, e.g. ë-C3 has a 320km range which is plenty for me, and at that price point, I don't need to finance it.

Citroën ë-C3 20k
Volvo ex30 36k
Peugeot e-208 28k
KIA ev3 33k
Hyundai Kona 31k

You might be interested in looking into the Chinese brands also, MG and BYD have decent offerings as well.

[devfuuu@lemmy.world]

I have a few fiats and Peugeot parked outside my house and for a urban environment the Peugeot is freaking huge when compared to the cute and small fiat that actually fits in a urban environment.