If nothing happens after we die, what's the point of it all?
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Enjoy the ride.
There is no point. The point is that you experienced life at all, the most rarest thing in this universe perhaps. Most people don’t even stop to think how amazing that is. Going outside and smelling fresh air, drinking water, laughing, crying.
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I never had a reason to trust them to begin with, tbh.
I'm not sure what the meaning of this statement is. As i see it, you have to trust your community at some point because as a child you're not self-suffucient on a basic level. You need care from your family, schooling from your community, and if you take higher studies you need institutions to invest in your potential (be it by public funding like in most European countries, or by a loan). And that is just on the first level. Secondarily, the school in your community needs institutions too, and your family needs a job from the community, which probably also rely on institutions. You rely on them, they rely on others, so you rely on those others too.
In order to do all of that, before you even really have real life choices, you have to trust your family, your community and your institutions (thus, your Country).
Once you start having a real choice on what to do, then I can accept you might lose trust even if still having to rely on some of these. And you can work in a job that has very little to do to your community. Which is close to the situation I am living, actually.
So you lost that trust that allowed you to grow up to adulthood, because now you have a choice and you don't like what you see. Which is fair, we are all caught up in individualism, we know that we need to have a way out of situations by ourselves. That's why money is so central in our life: if things go wrong in our community, we will need money to convince others to grant us services and goods to cover our needs.
But that has more to do with material needs, not with "purpose". Nothing really stops us from trusting our community for non-material things, such as a sense of purpose. We just decide not to do it out of habit of being individualistic.
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What a load of rubbish from someone who has read almost nothing about religion and is confused.
"Also no one’s life holds any intrinsic value at all."
So why do you care if someone is "weak" or follows a cult?"If that’s not the weakest form someone could assume, then I have no idea what “weak” even is."
You have no idea of anything.
Most likely, you had a traumatic childhood growing up in a religious household and have suicidal thoughts every now and then. For at then end of the day, in your "reality" you are the same as a lump of dog excrement. -
"YOU assume life has no meaning because it’s an accident. Why does it even HAVE to have a meaning? Why can’t it just be? So your brain can make “sense” of it all? "
Look at how much of an idiot you are. Everything we observe in nature nicely follows laws and have a clear design in it. This indicates the presence of an agent with the Will, Power and Knowledge to design.
If everything is "just be", then we wouldn't have indulged in any human enterprise like civilisation building or pursuing science. It's all a pursuit of finding meaning.
You claim everything is "just be" and have the audacity to accuse people searching for answers of being "weak"!!
You seem someone who thinks too highly of himself to realise his utter stupidity. -
Worms entered the chat
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How does something afterwards change the meaning of this in a good way?
Why fight for justice? E.g. the bible says god will judge and that i shouldn't. So if I just don't care about anything here but about god, I might have a bad time now but eternal happiness later. How meaningless is now this here? Everything is transactional. The love that you gave is for the sake of getting some much much more valuable later.
Why do people find happiness even in the worst situations? Because it is the only way to deal with it. We are made for survival and survival requires the willingness to survive. It doesn't matter if you are the strongest fighter, if you don't even want to fight back. Your desires come from survival needs.
And a little extra bit, there might not be a point in living. It might be meaning less. But I personally want to be happy. I just do. So everyday I work towards being happy. As I personally love my family and friends, I wish them to be happy. I just do. As my friends have family and friends, and their happiness is somewhat linked to their family and friends happiness, I want all of them to be happy too. And so on. As I can relate to the joy of being proud of oneself, I want them to feel that joy. And so on. None of this is objectively meaningful, I just like it that way. And I might be an asshole but I don't care if you agree with me, I want you feeling happy and fulfilled. Deal with it.
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If a movie is going to end is it worth watching?
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Well put, and I think it's definitely meaningful.
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As you already went to ad hominem (as expected)
And also seem to ignore what I said and rather see what you want to see, because your religious delusion only allows you to do that, I retreat from this "discussion".If I learned one thing in life, it's to never discuss anything with cult-followers. They're all too far gone to even dare to look beyond their horizon. They prefer the comfy "truth" over the uncomfy reality.
Oh and I never claimed it "just is". I don't have enough data to even form a theory. i just asked "what if". But you already have all answers to everything, so why bother.
So go back now to being a wage-slave to those who own you. Fulfill your cosmic destiny. This is what your master demands of you.
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Why I slightly care? Because life is more beautiful than devoting it to some deity that gives a rat's ass about you. And I sometimes am delusional enough to think that cultists can escape. They rarely do because it's so hard, but the chance is never zero.
And lol, no. I grew up I an environment grounded in reality. There never was any religion.
And suicide? Hell no, my life is fantastic. I don't work, I travel, I live every hobby that fills me with joy, I have a wonderful wife and no kids nor pets. I wouldn't change a thing and most definitely not suicide lol.I just despise religion/cults as it's just a great thing to control the sheep and/or make money. and the concept itself is totally outdated. "God is dead" like Nietzsche said.
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"If I learned one thing in life, it’s to never discuss anything with cult-followers."
Then why are you here?"Oh and I never claimed it “just is”. I don’t have enough data to even form a theory."
Do you see how stupidly contradictory you are?"So go back now to being a wage-slave to those who own you. Fulfill your cosmic destiny. This is what your master demands of you."
Again, no substance but just personal attacks against people you have never met. I mean you have all the hallmarks of being cultish."I don’t work, I travel, I live every hobby that fills me with joy"
Joy? You come to pick fights with people who have nothing to do with you, to feel better.
