Plex is locking remote streaming behind a subscription in April
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We are also changing how remote playback works for streaming personal media (that is, playback when not on the same local network as the server). The reality is that we need more resources to continue putting forth the best personal media experience, and as a result, we will no longer offer remote playback as a free feature. This—alongside the new Plex Pass pricing—will help provide those resources. This change will apply to the future release of our new Plex experience for mobile and other platforms.
I've said it for years that Plex is shit because of their license and the fact that you have no control everyone said no it's fine it's my media fucking look at it now
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Alas my TV (LG WebOS 2) doesn't have an application for Jellyfin, or I'd have switched years ago
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Dammit, my friend just said he would give me access to his file server, all I have to do is install Plex. Presumably this announcement means that will become impossible without a subscription.
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How do you set up HTTPS? I would like to encrypt the communication between my tailscale devices and my homeserver. Is it just a matter of using Let's Encrypt with Nginx?
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Not in the way you’re probably thinking, no. The VPN (like Proton) will be isolating devices from each other. This is by design, so you don’t end up in situations like different customers seeing each other on the network.
Your router might be able to act as a VPN host. This would allow you to connect to your home network from anywhere, and use it just like you would use a service like Proton. And if your home network is set to allow devices to see each other, then you could see your Jellyfin server.
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Not in the way you’re probably thinking, no. The VPN (like Proton) will be isolating devices from each other. This is by design, so you don’t end up in situations like different customers seeing each other on the network.
Your router might be able to act as a VPN host. This would allow you to connect to your home network from anywhere, and use it just like you would use a service like Proton. And if your home network is set to allow devices to see each other, then you could see your Jellyfin server.
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Alas my TV (LG WebOS 2) doesn't have an application for Jellyfin, or I'd have switched years ago
Is there an emby app available or Kodi? The base of Jellyfin should work in either. Plug and play as far as I'm aware with maybe some issues for certain versions.
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I'm surprised by the resistance to Jellyfin in this thread. If you are using Plex, you're already savvy enough to use bittorrent and probably the *arrs. If you can configure that stuff, Jellyfin is absolutely something you can handle. If you like Docker, there's good projects out there. If you're like me and you don't understand Docker, use Swizzin community edition. If you can install Ubuntu or Debian, and run the Swizzin script, you're in business.
Me too. Docker isn't hard if you use a compose file. It's easy to read syntax.
Linux server.io has great documentation for their images.
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How do you set up HTTPS? I would like to encrypt the communication between my tailscale devices and my homeserver. Is it just a matter of using Let's Encrypt with Nginx?
I use Caddy as a reverse proxy.
It's literally a tiny bit of code and I now have Jellyfin running with a let's encrypt cert...
reverse_proxy 192.168.1.1:8096 }``` -
Good to know. Being able to run both at the same time will probably help ease the transition.
I main Jellyfin now. I still have Plex for one device that has no Jellyfin client available. But indeed they run side by side sharing the same media.
Worth doing as Plex will keep getting shitter
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They seem to be getting a lot of hate for this, but Plex is not FOSS... They have the roots but they currently have like 100 paid employees and are trying to make a business out of it. They have to do something to make money to pay people every month. My $75 10 years ago isn't going to do much for that... The fact that they've made it this far without folding is impressive.
Yep, it's something that more people need to consider to keep their free (as in the source code is not a prisoner) software going
It looks like jellyfin costs ~$500/MONTH just for their hosting fees: https://opencollective.com/jellyfin
If everyone using jellyfin contributed $1/month, I bet that would be covered
(No, I'm not affiliated with them)
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My dude if you are connecting from outside your local network you are "exposed" to the Internet in some way. What magic are you thinking Plex is doing? Is someone hand deliverying the packets via USPS?
In some way is different from directly, on Plex you're behind a relay server so it's akin to being behind a VPS running Authentik/Authelia in front of the service on your home. Compromising the relay server does not necessarily compromises your home server, so it's not direct like putting Jellyfin on a reverse Proxy would be.
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And somehow you think that Plex isn't exposing your server to the Internet for streaming while not on your local network?
Okay there Mr. Madison.
It's not, not directly at least, and that's what everyone is ignoring here. You probably understand the value on Authelia/Authentik but you're failing to see that the Plex relay server is taking that same mantle here, so even if someone managed to compromise the relay server it's still not on your home server, whereas exposing jellyfin directly to the internet only requires one service to be compromised.
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Yes exactly. What do you think plex is doing?
Using a relay server to separate online from home connection
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I've said it for years that Plex is shit because of their license and the fact that you have no control everyone said no it's fine it's my media fucking look at it now
Yeah exactly. I tried to set it up once, installed it on a NAS box, and it starts talking about me making a cloud account. Why do I need a cloud account to log into my own hardware on my own network?
I do not want the cloud
I do not need the cloud
I will say it very loud
No cloud, no cloud, no cloud.But apparently it's set up so the only way to log into your own locally hosted software on your own locally hosted hardware is with an external cloud account.
To that I said no thank you and uninstalled it.
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Yeah, I've written some custom css to get some better wrapping of libraries and such.
There's also the community themes worth looking into.
https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/clients/css-customization/#community-themesDamn, all this time using JF and I never thought of theming it.
While I use it on a SFF PC I have a couple of users that access my server via a couple of CCwGTV Chromecasts I handed them and so, unable to test since I don't have one to hand but can you / does it theme the UI on the Chromecast too?
Cheers!
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Worst case scenario, you could just run Tailscale directly on your Jellyfin server.
Why is that the worst case it's goes literally like this: install on your server, install on the other decide (phone, laptop), connect to the same account and BOOM works
Because running it on your router gives you access to the entire network of devices, not just the Jellyfin server.
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Dumb question but should there be VPNs operating on both ends, server and client? Or just the client because I'm guessing the server might change the connection address.
A VPN Server on the server or home network (look into PiVPN for instance), and a VPN Client on clients (look at openvpn for instance).
Good luck and let me know if you have any further questions - I'm more than happy to answer!
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That's nice.
That doesn't work if you are on an airplane (unless you want to spend the entire flight downloading one episode). Or if you just don't want to deal with hotel wifi. Or if you just don't want to expose your internal home network at all.
Which is the point and why this is one of those big features of plex that there are so many tickets and requests to get into jellyfin et al. Because yes, you can just copy files from your NAS to your phone's internal storage (assuming you don't care about transcoding and the like)... at which point there isn't much use to a metadata oriented media server/service.
Or you can just set up Plex to always download the next 10 episodes of whatever show you are watching when it has network access. I mean... that probably won't work (see: 40%) but when it does, it is awesome. Which is the "it just works" functionality.
Which gets back to the issue where, because it is FOSS, it is the greatest thing ever and anyone asking for anything else is wrong and stupid. Which is a shame because if the Jellyfin devs could actually get the "download the next N episodes" functionality to reliably work (even at 80-90%) it would be a killer app. And, for what it is worth, I have liked the devs a lot when I interacted with them in the past. But the users and evangelists are just... what we can see in this thread.
You can just download the episodes though? Like right in Jellyfin:
Because yes, you can just copy files from your NAS to your phone's internal storage (assuming you don't care about transcoding and the like)... at which point there isn't much use to a metadata oriented media server/service.
No you do not need to do any of that.
Or you can just set up Plex to always download the next 10 episodes of whatever show you are watching when it has network access. I mean... that probably won't work (see: 40%) but when it does, it is awesome. Which is the "it just works" functionality.
You can download in Jellyfin also, like in the screenshot above.
anyone asking for anything else is wrong and stupid.
I mean, you are asking for things that are already in the app, you tell me if that's stupid or not. I'm just trying to help.
I'd never call anyone even trying to use these self-hosted alternatives stupid.
Jellyfin devs could actually get the "download the next N episodes" functionality to reliably work (even at 80-90%) it would be a killer app
Is there some reason you can't do this manually? I actually can't think of any app with this feature, not even Netflix way back not Spotify.
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I stopped using Plex shortly after they started forcing logging in with your online Plex account to connect to LAN only based server. The writing was on the wall all those years ago.
Who wants to be locked out of their media when the internet is offline, completely defeated the point of self hosting local infrastructureJellyfin, while lacking a bit when I first migrated, has continued improved over the years and it has been joyful to use.
Plus Jellyfin supported hardware transcoding before Plex did, which was a gripe I had with Plex at the time.I stream from my server remotely and share with Family without hassle.
I dunno where Plex is trying to go, glad I bailed long ago
