Used Tesla prices tumble as embarrassed owners look to sell
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While it's nice to protest outside of the Tesla dealership, people should be protesting outside of US embassies, and while they are at it, protest outside of the Chinese and Russian embassies too. Block them in.
Trump and musk couldn't care less about protests outside embassies.
The Tesla protests are hurting musk.
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I agree with some of your points and the only thing I’d add is brands are symbols, and if a brand is left intact after an atrocity what does that say? I don’t think the brands should exist any more than keeping the same people in charge.
In that case I'd argue you can look at it from a different perspective: nothing bad is forever. Even brands - and people - directly complicit in genocide can change for the better, and before that; seemingly regular people can be driven to commit mad atrocities. This is a very important lesson today especially, as we are repeating history
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No sympathy.
Fuck every Tesla owner. Unironically, they knew what they bought.
Downvotes coming from Telsa owners who have buyer's remose for giving a Nazi money, i assume.
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Thats some serious "you say we should improve society? yet you participate in society, Curious!" energy in that post right there.
It really is, I suspect the people replying to you own Teslas and are trying to go "N-no I gave money to him and I never knew he was an asshole for 30 years!"
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I also remember the hero worship in 2015-20ish, even when projects like Hyperloop and countless others were a well known scam. I worked in top tech and their product team worshipped him, they hated me after I tried expressing skepticism. These people probably think he's nuts in 2025, but also say "that wasn't a Nazi salute, stop overreacting".
He has always been a con artist, I don't know why people act like "Oh how did you know Musk was a bad guy in 2015? Impossible!"
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At least some Teslas use the Supercharger network for free, so they're a drain on the company at this point. But I think they canned that program a while back for new sales.
Personally, if I picked one up (and I probably wouldn't unless it was even cheaper than they are now), I'd spray paint it in gaudy pansexual pride flag colors.
I think that's only a handful of the model S that had free lifetime charging, and the few that are still around are getting pretty worn out by now.
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That's the part I never understood. Even if you weren't a Musk fan boy and before Musk showed his true colors, Telsa has always, ALWAYS been shit quality. I remember back in 2015, or so, there was a video of someone finally getting their Telsa and it had a massive crack running the length of the driver side A-pillar, yet they just ignored it.
The Roadsters were well-made. That was when production volumes were low and Musk hadn't bought the company yet.
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Tesla is basically a case study in top down engineering. Radical ideas promised by marketing, sometimes good and sometimes bad, executed in a massive fucking rush which results in tons of build quality and general delivering on promises issues.
It was more to do with hubris. Scaling up production of anything as complex as a car is going to result in quality issues unless your production engineers are world-class. Tesla thought they were smarter than the carmakers, and learned early in the process that that was bullshit. Then Musk came in and relied on hype rather than engineering to move units.
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Don't know about that. Leaf has been pretty important as well.
Leaf's tech was a joke for a long time.
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Leaf's tech was a joke for a long time.
Yes, because it was cheap.
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It has been, but the leaf was very much a "second car" for a very long time. They had relatively short range, an air cooled battery, and as a result couldn't be charged particularly fast. The battery would also overheat if you tried to charge it multiple times.
Tesla, on the water, had a water cooled battery pack, and could be fast charged multiple times per day, and much faster than other vehicles, meaning a road trip was actually possible.
The Leaf was cheap. It introduced many to EVs. They are super common third or fourth hand now. It was aimed at the other end of the market than the Tesla.
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Nah, quite the opposite. My point is that we have to live in the society we're in. You want to label one billionaire asshole as worse than the others just so you can feel smugly superior to people who are, for the most part, more leftist than the average and in the same working class bucket you presumably are. It doesn't help anyone.
Shit on Musk, shit on Tesla. They deserve it. Don't shit on the people who should be your allies. It's counter productive.
Teslas are for the poor blue collar workin class folk, huh?
Is that what you want to think of yourself as?
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It really is, I suspect the people replying to you own Teslas and are trying to go "N-no I gave money to him and I never knew he was an asshole for 30 years!"
look at the other reply from psi, trying to paint tesla owners as part of us poor workin class folk.
Its fuckin nuttier than squirrel turds.
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Take it from an old man, at a certain point you will grow beyond having to feel "embarassed" by your former self, because your ego won't be tied to it.
Old man here as well. I follow the doctrine of non-repudiation: I did a lot of stupid things when I was young. But I own them and don't hate my former self for doing them. Mind you, I didn't hurt anyone (except emotionally, and not intentionally) and wasn't a criminal. If that were different, maybe I'd have to process it differently.
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The year 2100 will see eugenics universally established. In past ages, the law governing the survival of the fittest roughly weeded out the less desirable strains. Then man’s new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. As a result, we continue to keep alive and to breed the unfit. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct. Several European countries and a number of states of the American Union sterilize the criminal and the insane. This is not sufficient. The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal.
Oof, that's a tough read.
It was a common view, especially among progressives, from the late 1890s to the start of WW2. The temperance movement embraced eugenics, so did the family-planning movement, and through it, early feminism.
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I have read a number of comments from people with illnesses or other issues that are genetic, saying they don't want to pass their problems onto the next generation.
So, bizarrely enough, there is a certain amount of eugenics happening, it's just purely voluntary.
It's the top-down nature of the eugenics movement that made it so morally repugnant. "We decide who's fit to have kids."
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Fuck every Tesla owner. Unironically, they knew what they bought.
Downvotes coming from Telsa owners who have buyer's remose for giving a Nazi money, i assume.
Only now the chickens are coming home to roost and they wanna get out, not before though. When Elons stock was up they were happy to have the car.
This is why we see vandalism as well on these
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Old man here as well. I follow the doctrine of non-repudiation: I did a lot of stupid things when I was young. But I own them and don't hate my former self for doing them. Mind you, I didn't hurt anyone (except emotionally, and not intentionally) and wasn't a criminal. If that were different, maybe I'd have to process it differently.
Probably not that much different tbh.
I think you can understand something without embracing it or condoning it. I did a few bad things, it's understandable that kids with that age and upbringing will, as long as you own what you did, put right what you can and atone for the rest, there's no need to hate yourself.
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What are your thoughts on doing a Nazi salute when seeing a cybertruck? Is it okay because we are mocking them? Or is it just never okay to do a Nazi salute?
