How do you host your DNS sinkhole/resolver?
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The **ONLY** DNS server you should have set on your network is a/the PiHole(s).
Sorry, I wasn't clear - I use PowerDNS so that I can more easily deploy services that can be resolved by my internal networks (deployed via Kubernetes or Terraform). In my case, the secondary PowerDNS server does regular zone transfers from the primary in order to ensure it has a copy of all A, PTR, CNAME, etc records.
But PowerDNS (and all DNS servers really), can either be authoritative resolvers or recursors. In my case, the PDNS servers are authoritative for my homelab zone/domain and they perform recursive lookups (with caching) for non-authoritative domains like google.com, infosec.pub, etc. By pointing my PDNS servers to PiHole for recursive lookups, I ensure that I have ad blocking while still allowing for my automation to handle the homelab records.
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Currently have nice long docker compose file that hosts my PiHole V6 container (along with a bunch of other containers) however, reason i ask this question is because whenever I go to pull an updated image and recreate the container I experience about 20 minutes of no DNS resolution which to my knowledge is due to the NTP clock being out of sync.
What’s the best way to host a DNS sinkhole/resolver that can mitigate this issue?
Was thinking of utilizing Proxmox & LXC but I suspect I’ll get the same experience.
Update: Turns out PiHole doesn’t support two instances, I got both of them on separate devices also set the 2nd DNS server in my routers WAN & LAN DNS settings which did in fact split DNS between both instances however, I lost access to my routers web-ui, my Traefik instance & reverse proxies died and I lost all internet access.So, don’t do what I did.Update 2: So everything I said in my first update let’s disregard that, turns out I had my router forcing all DNS to PiHole server 1 which caused my issues mentioned above.
Two servers appears to work!
Two lxc's, one pi 3b.
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The **ONLY** DNS server you should have set on your network is a/the PiHole(s).
That's what I thought. Btw, your formatting seems to be broken.
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That's what I thought. Btw, your formatting seems to be broken.
Thanks for that; the formatting is broken.
I’ll try and figure out how to fix it (it was formatted for the “site that shall not be named”)
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Currently have nice long docker compose file that hosts my PiHole V6 container (along with a bunch of other containers) however, reason i ask this question is because whenever I go to pull an updated image and recreate the container I experience about 20 minutes of no DNS resolution which to my knowledge is due to the NTP clock being out of sync.
What’s the best way to host a DNS sinkhole/resolver that can mitigate this issue?
Was thinking of utilizing Proxmox & LXC but I suspect I’ll get the same experience.
Update: Turns out PiHole doesn’t support two instances, I got both of them on separate devices also set the 2nd DNS server in my routers WAN & LAN DNS settings which did in fact split DNS between both instances however, I lost access to my routers web-ui, my Traefik instance & reverse proxies died and I lost all internet access.So, don’t do what I did.Update 2: So everything I said in my first update let’s disregard that, turns out I had my router forcing all DNS to PiHole server 1 which caused my issues mentioned above.
Two servers appears to work!
2 pihole instances 1 pi5 1 pi4
Keepalived provides vrrp at a set address.Instances kept in sync via orbital
1 goes down the other takes over.
Quite elegantly.
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Currently have nice long docker compose file that hosts my PiHole V6 container (along with a bunch of other containers) however, reason i ask this question is because whenever I go to pull an updated image and recreate the container I experience about 20 minutes of no DNS resolution which to my knowledge is due to the NTP clock being out of sync.
What’s the best way to host a DNS sinkhole/resolver that can mitigate this issue?
Was thinking of utilizing Proxmox & LXC but I suspect I’ll get the same experience.
Update: Turns out PiHole doesn’t support two instances, I got both of them on separate devices also set the 2nd DNS server in my routers WAN & LAN DNS settings which did in fact split DNS between both instances however, I lost access to my routers web-ui, my Traefik instance & reverse proxies died and I lost all internet access.So, don’t do what I did.Update 2: So everything I said in my first update let’s disregard that, turns out I had my router forcing all DNS to PiHole server 1 which caused my issues mentioned above.
Two servers appears to work!
I would do a single instance of Pihole. If you need HA there are ways to do that. If you need something more switch to a proper DNS service.
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If you run a single DNS server, you will always have downtime when it's restarted.
The only way to mitigate that, is to run 2 DNS servers.
I setup my network to use pihole as the first DNS and the router as the second, most of the time pihole is used. Unless it's down
Why wouldn't you just use DNS on your router
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2 pihole instances 1 pi5 1 pi4
Keepalived provides vrrp at a set address.Instances kept in sync via orbital
1 goes down the other takes over.
Quite elegantly.
Where do you do DHCP? I had a primary pihole with DHCP enabled and a secondary with a cron job that enabled DHCP if the primary was down or disabled it if the primary was working. The cron job did sync DHCP leases from one to the other but it was a bit janky. I tried to update the secondary to pihole v6 and hosed it so I have no backup for now. I'd like to re-image the secondary and get a better setup - when I have time.
Edit to say I really wanted to try keepalived - that's really cool to fail over without clients noticing.
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Yeah, you can't. There is no guarantee that clients will use dns servers in any particular order.
Not that it particularly matters for just queries. The problem is that DHCP can only be enabled on one host. If that one fails then devices can't get on to the network themselves. I'd like to know a good way to have a failover DHCP server - my janky cronjob isn't great.
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Currently have nice long docker compose file that hosts my PiHole V6 container (along with a bunch of other containers) however, reason i ask this question is because whenever I go to pull an updated image and recreate the container I experience about 20 minutes of no DNS resolution which to my knowledge is due to the NTP clock being out of sync.
What’s the best way to host a DNS sinkhole/resolver that can mitigate this issue?
Was thinking of utilizing Proxmox & LXC but I suspect I’ll get the same experience.
Update: Turns out PiHole doesn’t support two instances, I got both of them on separate devices also set the 2nd DNS server in my routers WAN & LAN DNS settings which did in fact split DNS between both instances however, I lost access to my routers web-ui, my Traefik instance & reverse proxies died and I lost all internet access.So, don’t do what I did.Update 2: So everything I said in my first update let’s disregard that, turns out I had my router forcing all DNS to PiHole server 1 which caused my issues mentioned above.
Two servers appears to work!
I run 2 separate adguard home containers on separate hosts and set DNS for both IPs. If I take one down, requests just get sent to the other.
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Currently have nice long docker compose file that hosts my PiHole V6 container (along with a bunch of other containers) however, reason i ask this question is because whenever I go to pull an updated image and recreate the container I experience about 20 minutes of no DNS resolution which to my knowledge is due to the NTP clock being out of sync.
What’s the best way to host a DNS sinkhole/resolver that can mitigate this issue?
Was thinking of utilizing Proxmox & LXC but I suspect I’ll get the same experience.
Update: Turns out PiHole doesn’t support two instances, I got both of them on separate devices also set the 2nd DNS server in my routers WAN & LAN DNS settings which did in fact split DNS between both instances however, I lost access to my routers web-ui, my Traefik instance & reverse proxies died and I lost all internet access.So, don’t do what I did.Update 2: So everything I said in my first update let’s disregard that, turns out I had my router forcing all DNS to PiHole server 1 which caused my issues mentioned above.
Two servers appears to work!
I run Pihole+Unbound, Debian baremetal on a tinypc. RPi was too unreliable. I was too often dealing with issues.
My router is the failback, as it has blocking too.
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Not that it particularly matters for just queries. The problem is that DHCP can only be enabled on one host. If that one fails then devices can't get on to the network themselves. I'd like to know a good way to have a failover DHCP server - my janky cronjob isn't great.
You can just run two DHCP servers. Give them non-overlapping ranges or give them the same MAC to IP mapping.
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Why wouldn't you just use DNS on your router
Router may not have a function you want.
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You can just run two DHCP servers. Give them non-overlapping ranges or give them the same MAC to IP mapping.
How do the DNS servers resolve local hostnames then? The pihole DHCP integration adds local hostnames to DNS when they are assigned an address. If there's two DHCP servers handing out leases, presumable only one would be accepted, how then would the DNS servers sync those names?
I think I had my secondary pihole resolve local names from the primary, and leases were copied over on a cronjob in case the secondary DHCP server had to be enabled.
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Currently have nice long docker compose file that hosts my PiHole V6 container (along with a bunch of other containers) however, reason i ask this question is because whenever I go to pull an updated image and recreate the container I experience about 20 minutes of no DNS resolution which to my knowledge is due to the NTP clock being out of sync.
What’s the best way to host a DNS sinkhole/resolver that can mitigate this issue?
Was thinking of utilizing Proxmox & LXC but I suspect I’ll get the same experience.
Update: Turns out PiHole doesn’t support two instances, I got both of them on separate devices also set the 2nd DNS server in my routers WAN & LAN DNS settings which did in fact split DNS between both instances however, I lost access to my routers web-ui, my Traefik instance & reverse proxies died and I lost all internet access.So, don’t do what I did.Update 2: So everything I said in my first update let’s disregard that, turns out I had my router forcing all DNS to PiHole server 1 which caused my issues mentioned above.
Two servers appears to work!
I'm looking into Technitium, which doesn't get a ton of attention here. It looks to be much more feature packed than PiHole (DNS over HTTPS, for example), and similar to AdGuard Home.
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How do the DNS servers resolve local hostnames then? The pihole DHCP integration adds local hostnames to DNS when they are assigned an address. If there's two DHCP servers handing out leases, presumable only one would be accepted, how then would the DNS servers sync those names?
I think I had my secondary pihole resolve local names from the primary, and leases were copied over on a cronjob in case the secondary DHCP server had to be enabled.
Use the second option of a static MAC to IP map and add the relevant records to each pihole’s local DNS.
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Where do you do DHCP? I had a primary pihole with DHCP enabled and a secondary with a cron job that enabled DHCP if the primary was down or disabled it if the primary was working. The cron job did sync DHCP leases from one to the other but it was a bit janky. I tried to update the secondary to pihole v6 and hosed it so I have no backup for now. I'd like to re-image the secondary and get a better setup - when I have time.
Edit to say I really wanted to try keepalived - that's really cool to fail over without clients noticing.
On the router.
My router is locked down so i assign the vrrp address to wach client (pain in the ass) but it works.
Pivpn takes care or wireguard too.
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I'm looking into Technitium, which doesn't get a ton of attention here. It looks to be much more feature packed than PiHole (DNS over HTTPS, for example), and similar to AdGuard Home.
Man, I was excited about Technitium, but I've had a hell of a time trying to get it to work. I'm not sure if it's intended to be on a DMZ in order to get TLS working or something, but I've not been able to get it to acknowledge a single DNS request, even when I think I've shut down DNSSec entirely.
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Currently have nice long docker compose file that hosts my PiHole V6 container (along with a bunch of other containers) however, reason i ask this question is because whenever I go to pull an updated image and recreate the container I experience about 20 minutes of no DNS resolution which to my knowledge is due to the NTP clock being out of sync.
What’s the best way to host a DNS sinkhole/resolver that can mitigate this issue?
Was thinking of utilizing Proxmox & LXC but I suspect I’ll get the same experience.
Update: Turns out PiHole doesn’t support two instances, I got both of them on separate devices also set the 2nd DNS server in my routers WAN & LAN DNS settings which did in fact split DNS between both instances however, I lost access to my routers web-ui, my Traefik instance & reverse proxies died and I lost all internet access.So, don’t do what I did.Update 2: So everything I said in my first update let’s disregard that, turns out I had my router forcing all DNS to PiHole server 1 which caused my issues mentioned above.
Two servers appears to work!
How do you host your DNS sinkhole/resolver?
Like this, baby:
services.adguardhome = { enable = true; mutableSettings = false; openFirewall = true; settings = { dns = { # Web Interface bootstrap_dns = ["9.9.9.9" "149.112.112.112"]; upstream_dns = ["https://dns.quad9.net/dns-query"]; fallback_dns = ["tls://dns.quad9.net"]; }; filters = [ { name = "AdGuard DNS filter"; url = "https://adguardteam.github.io/HostlistsRegistry/assets/filter_1.txt"; enabled = true; } ]; filtering = { blocked_services = { ids = [ ]; }; protection_enabled = true; filtering_enabled = true; rewrites = [ ]; };Deploy to the main home server, and the backup instance. NixOS is fucking awesome. No sync tool needed.
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Router may not have a function you want.
Instead of paying for a raspberry Pi you could just get a OpenWRT device. You can get the router equivalent of a rust bucket since chances are you are not using the Wireless portion anyway.
