Signal's CEO: Then We're Leaving Sweden | Sweden Herald
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I think you wildly misunderstand the average person's motivations and how they weigh decisions.
While that's generally true, one of the main reasons why people choose apps like Signal is the privacy. People that aren't aware and don't care generally wouldn't have switched to Signal in the first place.
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I think you wildly misunderstand the average person's motivations and how they weigh decisions.
While that's generally true, one of the main reasons why people choose apps like Signal is the privacy. People that aren't aware and don't care generally wouldn't have switched to Signal in the first place.
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I think you wildly misunderstand the average person's motivations and how they weigh decisions.
The "average person" you have in mind who obviously does not care about cryptographic security also does not use Signal.
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I think you wildly misunderstand the average person's motivations and how they weigh decisions.
We're talking about Signal, not FB Messenger. People use Signal because of the encryption, and they would leave.
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- According to Whittaker, the bill requires the encrypted messaging app Signal to install so-called backdoors in the software.
i am searching their link to Sweden
::: spoiler no link found yet, i will search again
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https://signal.org/
2013–2025 Signal, a 501c3 nonprofit.
"Signal", Signal logos, and other trademarks are trademarks or registered trademarks of Signal Technology Foundation in the United States and other countries (more info here).
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https://signal.org/donate/
Signal Technology Foundation is a nonprofit under section 501c3 of the US Internal Revenue Code.
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I have to ask. If Signal "leaves" Sweden because it is deemed illegal without backdoor, how would this even work regarding enforcement? Your phone gets searched and if they find Signal you get a fee? Messaging being blocked somehow by Swedish ISPs, is that even possible?
Usually enforcement happens at companies, not people.
Signal would get a fee, transactions flowing through their country would get seized.
It doesn't affect people who use it. That would be authoritarian censorship.
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They will likely IP geofence Sweden to block connections to Signal’s servers being made there.
No. Thats not what the law does. Sweden doesn't do censorship.
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The "average person" you have in mind who obviously does not care about cryptographic security also does not use Signal.
There are a few people in my social bubble that are not technical at all, but heard a few bad things about WhatsApp and that's why they are using Signal. Nothing more, they do not know how it works, they do not know who provides it.
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Signal will be delisted from Android/Apple store. That'll curb the majority of Signal use in Sweden. I suspect Sweden isn't going to after individuals. They could if they wanted to. ISP blocking, probably not, but yes ISPs can block Signal by blocking all known Signal servers. That's why Signal supports special proxies that allow individuals to run to allow people from blocked locations to access the Signal servers.
That’ll curb the majority of Signal use in Sweden.
...unless a bunch of users plan to actually do something illegal, in which case a delisting from the app store doesn't stop anything. Once again, it's just to enable data collection about as many ordinary citizens as possible.
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i am searching their link to Sweden
::: spoiler no link found yet, i will search again
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https://signal.org/
2013–2025 Signal, a 501c3 nonprofit.
"Signal", Signal logos, and other trademarks are trademarks or registered trademarks of Signal Technology Foundation in the United States and other countries (more info here).
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https://signal.org/donate/
Signal Technology Foundation is a nonprofit under section 501c3 of the US Internal Revenue Code.
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."Leaving a country" for digital services usually means not providing services there anymore.
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There are a few people in my social bubble that are not technical at all, but heard a few bad things about WhatsApp and that's why they are using Signal. Nothing more, they do not know how it works, they do not know who provides it.
thats not the target audience, thankfully.
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thats not the target audience, thankfully.
The target audience is everybody with a Smartphone.
The majority of people in my signal contacts are there because someone (sometimes me) pushed them to use it instead of WhatsApp.
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"Leaving a country" for digital services usually means not providing services there anymore.
Thanks, this makes a lot more sense.
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No. Thats not what the law does. Sweden doesn't do censorship.
The question was what Signal would do though ...
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That is because they just decided to switch to use it for internal communications. This means that they would have to roll back that decision.
It would have been good of the article to mention that important tidbit...
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The question was what Signal would do though ...
Leave Sweden so they dont have to follow these regulations.
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There are a few people in my social bubble that are not technical at all, but heard a few bad things about WhatsApp and that's why they are using Signal. Nothing more, they do not know how it works, they do not know who provides it.
And now they'll hear something bad about Signal and move on as they did with WhatsApp, as per your example.
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It would have been good of the article to mention that important tidbit...
It happened like 2 weeks ago so I will forgive them for missing it.
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- According to Whittaker, the bill requires the encrypted messaging app Signal to install so-called backdoors in the software.
It’s worth noting that mullvad is based in Sweden
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- According to Whittaker, the bill requires the encrypted messaging app Signal to install so-called backdoors in the software.
I don't get how its supposed to work...they want to require messengers to include backdoors in their software? So when a program is FOSS, then you can literally just use it knowing there is no backdoor..also, what blocks you from using a server in different country? Wtf that even means...
