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  • N [email protected]

    Seems to fit the official definition pretty neatly. Colloquially, I tend to agree with you, there's a spectrum for fraud. But this still counts as fraud. It's a fraudulent misrepresentation of the truth to convince others to part with something of value (a gift).

    The fact that it's a gift doesn't change that this is fraud, only the severity of fraud in a legal sense.

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    Fraud in the sense that the guy is lying and profiting from it, sure. But the common / google definition of a word and the legal definition/ application of that word are two completely different things.

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      Take it he wasn't reciprocating the gifts?

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      I think the only way this makes sense is that he'd start dating someone, say his birthday is coming up, dump them after receiving the gift and repeating the process.

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        We need to ban birthdays so this never happens again.

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        • S [email protected]

          I think the only way this makes sense is that he'd start dating someone, say his birthday is coming up, dump them after receiving the gift and repeating the process.

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          Do you get someone a gift if you're only known them for a week? Serious question.

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          • natakunox@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

            Found the guy with 35 girlfriend.

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            I’m down to 28 now. Apparently some of them saw this thread …

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            • hark@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

              We need to ban birthdays so this never happens again.

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              Monkey's paw curls. Now abortions are legal and forced.

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              • O [email protected]

                Most politicians are absolutely guilty of fraud.

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                I'd even go so far as saying that fraud is pretty rampant in all levels of society.

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                  Dude outed himself when he told Janice his birthday was the 35th of March.

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                    I'm stupid, can someone explain to me how this is illegal? Like morally questionable I get, but how is it illegal?

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                    • F [email protected]

                      I'm stupid, can someone explain to me how this is illegal? Like morally questionable I get, but how is it illegal?

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                      According to a quick Google fraud in Japan is

                      obtaining property or illicit economic advantages through deceit.

                      Gifts I assume are property here

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                      • N [email protected]

                        Seems to fit the official definition pretty neatly. Colloquially, I tend to agree with you, there's a spectrum for fraud. But this still counts as fraud. It's a fraudulent misrepresentation of the truth to convince others to part with something of value (a gift).

                        The fact that it's a gift doesn't change that this is fraud, only the severity of fraud in a legal sense.

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                        1. image of text: there's this cool alternative called text that doesn't break the web or accessibility. linking to source & quoting text makes an altogether better web for everyone.
                        2. dictionary definition: not an official, legal definition.
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                          Monkey's paw curls. Now abortions are legal and forced.

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                          I thought Monkeys Paw had adverse outcomes.

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                          • F [email protected]

                            I'm stupid, can someone explain to me how this is illegal? Like morally questionable I get, but how is it illegal?

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                            I'm definitely not a legal expert, especially for Japan.

                            but this sounds like a con artist.

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                            • F [email protected]

                              It's pretty much the textbook definition of fraud. What are you talking about?

                              Fraud is defined as intentional deception to deprive a victim of a legal right or to gain unlawfully from a victim.

                              That's what most politicians do every election. Just saying.

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                              laws don't apply to politicians you silly

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                              • L [email protected]
                                1. image of text: there's this cool alternative called text that doesn't break the web or accessibility. linking to source & quoting text makes an altogether better web for everyone.
                                2. dictionary definition: not an official, legal definition.
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                                great, y'all want to get into Japanese criminal legal definitions?

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                                  intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value

                                  Advertising and politics?

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                                  laws don't apply to politicians.

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                                    According to a quick Google fraud in Japan is

                                    obtaining property or illicit economic advantages through deceit.

                                    Gifts I assume are property here

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                                    Jesus Christ! Can we get some of that law in the US?!

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                                    • T [email protected]

                                      According to a quick Google fraud in Japan is

                                      obtaining property or illicit economic advantages through deceit.

                                      Gifts I assume are property here

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                                      So like...makeup?

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                                      • knight_alva@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

                                        Your grandma having dementia changes the formula a bit.

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                                        Not really, no. It's still using deception for material gain through gift giving. Maybe it's more of an extreme case, but I was being hyperbolic.

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                                        • O [email protected]

                                          Not really, no. It's still using deception for material gain through gift giving. Maybe it's more of an extreme case, but I was being hyperbolic.

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                                          It is materially different because a person with dementia can’t legally advocate for themselves so it is easier for an action against them to be considered a crime.

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