King forgot his crown
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It is materially different because a person with dementia can’t legally advocate for themselves so it is easier for an action against them to be considered a crime.
It's still using deception for material gain. Just because it's harder to scam someone without dementia doesn't make it not fraud.
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So like...makeup?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]"Why you wearing eye shadow, you fraud? Just don't sleep and get real dark spots under your eyes, poser!"
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It’s a poor definition because gift exchanges are strictly voluntary and non-reciprocal engagements. I’m not saying what he did was ok or even legal in other contexts. My only point is that I wouldn’t consider this fraud because the victims were not compelled to give. This isn’t a Nigerian prince scam where the victims were promised greater returns at a later date. These victims gave with the expectation of monetary loss.
They're technically voluntary but also socially expected. I'm not sure about birthday gifts in particular but Japan is a country where if you go on holiday somewhere you're expected to bring a gift for each of your coworkers, and people will think worse of you for not doing that. I'd be kind of surprised if omitting birthday gifts for your romantic partner without prior agreement is a real option.
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We need to ban birthdays so this never happens again.
So... We will be just spawns now?
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According to a quick Google fraud in Japan is
obtaining property or illicit economic advantages through deceit.
Gifts I assume are property here
Presumably he had to give 35 presents too.
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You don't have to promise anything in return for it to be fraud. If I start a Go Fund Me because I have cancer when I really don't have cancer, the people donating aren't promised anything in return. It's still fraud.
The cancer example is plausible, but I am not sure you would always win.
In that case you are asking for help for a specific reason. They “get to feel good about helping solve your problem”.
Your deception deprives them of their having done something good with their money - which is the tort.
In OP’s instance, he was saying that he had a birthday and you are giving him a gift.
Not the same - you can make the same argument, but it is even thinner gruel.
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So like...makeup?
No, more like telling 35 different women 35 different fake birthdays so they get you some nice gifts while they're all under the impression that they're your only girlfriend. Nothing like wearing make up, you silly, woman hating, goose! Xoxo
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Enforcement is the issue. Cops in the USA wouldn't care about this.
Cops in the US still care about a lot of laws which people don't even give fk about in LATAM, SA and SEA
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Presumably he had to give 35 presents too.
That's what I'm wondering. Perhaps he gives a mean back and foot massage.
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Best I can do is legalizing corruption and then spend billion dollars on public programs explaining how lobbying helps the people, not capitalism
The only thing that will stop them is the modern day equivalent of people walking out of rome, leaving the elites to make everything themselves.
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I thought Monkeys Paw had adverse outcomes.
Even it has limits. I guess this guy found a way to beat it.
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The cancer example is plausible, but I am not sure you would always win.
In that case you are asking for help for a specific reason. They “get to feel good about helping solve your problem”.
Your deception deprives them of their having done something good with their money - which is the tort.
In OP’s instance, he was saying that he had a birthday and you are giving him a gift.
Not the same - you can make the same argument, but it is even thinner gruel.
People get to feel good about getting someone a gift as well.
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Depends on how bad you're down.
Pretty bad I guess. There isn't a person I was contemplating getting a gift for, it was hypothetical.
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That's what I'm wondering. Perhaps he gives a mean back and foot massage.
Or he's just good with the D. He might also be good at delivering other Vitamins too
