Why I recommend against Brave.
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This week I'm going to try out ungoogled Chromium and Vivaldi. I know Vivaldi is partially closed source, but I'm not actually in the camp that thinks all closed source is bad.
I use Apple products which are definitely more closed source. I would prefer open source but there are unfortunately more variables in play then just “is it open source”.
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anyone believing brave is good for privacy is quite naive
It's good for playing youtube without ads and Netflix which doesnt work with my firefox setup for some reason. That's all I use it for.
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anyone believing brave is good for privacy is quite naive
It's good for privacy from the websites you visit, from itself is up for debate though lol
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Once again, that's not privacy (the context of this discussion). Your point is that using Chromium encourages websites (as in, developers) to keep making sites that are Chromium-optimized, instead of browser-agnostic.
When you take all the "Google" out of a browser, they're not getting any information from you because those mechanisms no longer exist. Again, I'm talking about Google and Chrome. You're combining 3 different "issues" and slapping a "PRIVACY" label on them.
You're the kind of person that gets told repeatedly that X is bad, don't do bad.
Then you do X, get in deep trouble, and cry about how could anyone possible let this happen, and expect everyone else around you to clean up the mess, arent you.
Google dominating the internet IS a privacy problem.
Taking google tracking bullshit out of your browser does nothing to address their monopolistic power that allows them to violate your privacy even without their tracking shit in their browser. Using Chrome/Chromium hurts privacy. Because using google shit in general hurts privacy. Using chrome/chromium furthers googles base, further forces the web to align with what google wants, and is bad for privacy, and for everything.
And Chrome was never the most performant. Google just sabotage their own services to run worse on competitors browsers, because end users are stupid and will just assume "not google browser = bad " and use chrome.
And if you still cant wrap your head around it, then you're hopeless.
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Is it me or the people defending brave are homophobes too.
Not just you, if they can ignore or defend Brave, they're on the side of its CEO. No questions about it.
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It's good for playing youtube without ads and Netflix which doesnt work with my firefox setup for some reason. That's all I use it for.
Ublock Origin on Firefox can also play YT without ads...
Netflix Idk
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As long as his personal life doesn't influence the product, I'll just throw him on the pile with all the other Nazi supporting CEOs. which is most of them.
Okay but the very fact that Brave is a crypto-riddled mess that REPEATEDLY SCAMMED ITS OWN USERS (in what world do you think that's stopped, and it isn't just 'we haven't found out how they're still doing it in 2025 yet') is absolutely influenced by his views. His views are baked in to everything about that browser, up to and including YET ANOTHER bloody built-in LLM constantly popping up on interaction and trying to sell you on AI hallucinations being the future while wasting heck knows how much electricity (Leo).
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I wonder if anyone here is going to mention SeaMonkey-Browser for fun.<br>
It's an entire suite of applications
I haven't seen sea monkey mentioned in quite a few years
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Also don't use Opera. They're opera-ted by chinese mafia.
Chinese Mafia aside, opera GX sill benchmarks faster than any other browser, except maybe thorium
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Ublock Origin on Firefox can also play YT without ads...
Netflix Idk
Yea, I dont really have problems with YT in Firefox. Just use brave because it's on my "watching stuff" monitor. Brave did seem to work better during that period where they were being more aggressive about ad blockers but I haven't seen that for a while.
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I wonder if anyone here is going to mention SeaMonkey-Browser for fun.<br>
It's an entire suite of applications
I really wish seamonkey still worked for modern websites. It's so cool.
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I swear I saw a better version of this somewhere
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Ublock Origin on Firefox can also play YT without ads...
Netflix Idk
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I prefer either TorBrowser or Waterfox.
TorBrowser is, hands down, the best privacy browser out there but it's a bit slow because it operates like a decentralized VPN.
Waterfox browser is built on Mozilla's Gecko Engine just like firefox, but it isn't managed directly by Mozilla.
it isn’t managed directly by Mozilla
I was about to make a snarky comment about how it is, however, owned by an advertising company, but then I found this.
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If you are keen on personal privacy, you might have come across Brave Browser. Brave is a Chromium-based browser that promises to deliver privacy with built-in ad-blocking and content-blocking protection. It also offers several quality-of-life features and services, like a VPN and Tor access. I mean, it's even listed on the reputable PrivacyTools website. Why am I telling you to steer clear of this browser, then?
Yeah brave has it own issue, but overall it is still more privacy respecting than chrome or edge. Brave is personally not my choice. I use librewolf. Still, if someone ask me for a browser to use for their privacy journey I will undoubtedly tell them to just use brave. Firefox(and the forks) isn't a choice for most normal people it often break Captcha. Some website even straight up just don't allow Firefox based then tell you to use chrome. I am not by anyway try to defend Brave action, but I can't see much choice that just work for people who don't even know what an OS is.
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Orion. It can use Firefox, and chrome extensions
Interesting, I'll have to check it out. I've been passively wanting to leave brave on iOS for some time now. Thank you!
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Simply amazing
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That thread is several months old
And? You have new evidence that things have improved?
and is specifically about integrating Arkenfox settings changes
Why does that matter?
Found Brendan Eich’s alt account
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Found Brendan Eich’s alt account
Ah sick burn bro
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You're the kind of person that gets told repeatedly that X is bad, don't do bad.
Then you do X, get in deep trouble, and cry about how could anyone possible let this happen, and expect everyone else around you to clean up the mess, arent you.
Google dominating the internet IS a privacy problem.
Taking google tracking bullshit out of your browser does nothing to address their monopolistic power that allows them to violate your privacy even without their tracking shit in their browser. Using Chrome/Chromium hurts privacy. Because using google shit in general hurts privacy. Using chrome/chromium furthers googles base, further forces the web to align with what google wants, and is bad for privacy, and for everything.
And Chrome was never the most performant. Google just sabotage their own services to run worse on competitors browsers, because end users are stupid and will just assume "not google browser = bad " and use chrome.
And if you still cant wrap your head around it, then you're hopeless.
Google dominating the internet IS a privacy problem.
I agree, but using a non-Google, Chromium-based browser/fork that removes all of the Google bits is a
separate issue than Google Chrome having huge marketshare. I don't know how old you are, and the reason I say that is because I'm old enough to remember the original beta release (and 1.0) of Chrome. Chrome then isn't what Chrome became years later, and now. That was my point in bringing up the past; because you're acting like it's been like this since day 1.And Chrome was never the most performant. Google just sabotage their own services to run worse on competitors browsers, because end users are stupid and will just assume "not google browser = bad " and use chrome.
Sure, rewrite history. Chrome was never the most performant, and nobody had anything to say about its ludicrous speeds during the Windows XP/7 era, when it was released /s. I understand what you're saying, but my overall point is that you're being hyperbolic and tying together separate issues under one label. For example, Brave sucks, but not because it's based on Chromium. It sucks because of their policies and the actual execution (e.g. removal of privacy-preserving features, whitelisting Meta ads, etc).
Also, you clearly don't read anything because I already told you that I switched from Brave to Firefox on all of my devices. Now what I'd like to know is, what browser(s) are you using, and do you recommend, and why. Because, by your logic, it's the rendering engine (Blink) that is the issue, since you say that even anti-Google forks of Chromium (not Chrome) are as bad as Chrome itself. Does that means that now I can't use Firefox forks, because they're all tied back to Mozilla, who also has inserted/removed/changed features that have to do with privacy? I'm genuinely asking you.
