Why I recommend against Brave.
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Once again, that's not privacy (the context of this discussion). Your point is that using Chromium encourages websites (as in, developers) to keep making sites that are Chromium-optimized, instead of browser-agnostic.
When you take all the "Google" out of a browser, they're not getting any information from you because those mechanisms no longer exist. Again, I'm talking about Google and Chrome. You're combining 3 different "issues" and slapping a "PRIVACY" label on them.
You're the kind of person that gets told repeatedly that X is bad, don't do bad.
Then you do X, get in deep trouble, and cry about how could anyone possible let this happen, and expect everyone else around you to clean up the mess, arent you.
Google dominating the internet IS a privacy problem.
Taking google tracking bullshit out of your browser does nothing to address their monopolistic power that allows them to violate your privacy even without their tracking shit in their browser. Using Chrome/Chromium hurts privacy. Because using google shit in general hurts privacy. Using chrome/chromium furthers googles base, further forces the web to align with what google wants, and is bad for privacy, and for everything.
And Chrome was never the most performant. Google just sabotage their own services to run worse on competitors browsers, because end users are stupid and will just assume "not google browser = bad " and use chrome.
And if you still cant wrap your head around it, then you're hopeless.
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Is it me or the people defending brave are homophobes too.
Not just you, if they can ignore or defend Brave, they're on the side of its CEO. No questions about it.
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It's good for playing youtube without ads and Netflix which doesnt work with my firefox setup for some reason. That's all I use it for.
Ublock Origin on Firefox can also play YT without ads...
Netflix Idk
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As long as his personal life doesn't influence the product, I'll just throw him on the pile with all the other Nazi supporting CEOs. which is most of them.
Okay but the very fact that Brave is a crypto-riddled mess that REPEATEDLY SCAMMED ITS OWN USERS (in what world do you think that's stopped, and it isn't just 'we haven't found out how they're still doing it in 2025 yet') is absolutely influenced by his views. His views are baked in to everything about that browser, up to and including YET ANOTHER bloody built-in LLM constantly popping up on interaction and trying to sell you on AI hallucinations being the future while wasting heck knows how much electricity (Leo).
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I wonder if anyone here is going to mention SeaMonkey-Browser for fun.<br>
It's an entire suite of applications
I haven't seen sea monkey mentioned in quite a few years
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Also don't use Opera. They're opera-ted by chinese mafia.
Chinese Mafia aside, opera GX sill benchmarks faster than any other browser, except maybe thorium
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Ublock Origin on Firefox can also play YT without ads...
Netflix Idk
Yea, I dont really have problems with YT in Firefox. Just use brave because it's on my "watching stuff" monitor. Brave did seem to work better during that period where they were being more aggressive about ad blockers but I haven't seen that for a while.
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I wonder if anyone here is going to mention SeaMonkey-Browser for fun.<br>
It's an entire suite of applications
I really wish seamonkey still worked for modern websites. It's so cool.
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I swear I saw a better version of this somewhere
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Ublock Origin on Firefox can also play YT without ads...
Netflix Idk
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I prefer either TorBrowser or Waterfox.
TorBrowser is, hands down, the best privacy browser out there but it's a bit slow because it operates like a decentralized VPN.
Waterfox browser is built on Mozilla's Gecko Engine just like firefox, but it isn't managed directly by Mozilla.
it isn’t managed directly by Mozilla
I was about to make a snarky comment about how it is, however, owned by an advertising company, but then I found this.
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If you are keen on personal privacy, you might have come across Brave Browser. Brave is a Chromium-based browser that promises to deliver privacy with built-in ad-blocking and content-blocking protection. It also offers several quality-of-life features and services, like a VPN and Tor access. I mean, it's even listed on the reputable PrivacyTools website. Why am I telling you to steer clear of this browser, then?
Yeah brave has it own issue, but overall it is still more privacy respecting than chrome or edge. Brave is personally not my choice. I use librewolf. Still, if someone ask me for a browser to use for their privacy journey I will undoubtedly tell them to just use brave. Firefox(and the forks) isn't a choice for most normal people it often break Captcha. Some website even straight up just don't allow Firefox based then tell you to use chrome. I am not by anyway try to defend Brave action, but I can't see much choice that just work for people who don't even know what an OS is.
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Orion. It can use Firefox, and chrome extensions
Interesting, I'll have to check it out. I've been passively wanting to leave brave on iOS for some time now. Thank you!
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Simply amazing
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That thread is several months old
And? You have new evidence that things have improved?
and is specifically about integrating Arkenfox settings changes
Why does that matter?
Found Brendan Eich’s alt account
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Found Brendan Eich’s alt account
Ah sick burn bro
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You're the kind of person that gets told repeatedly that X is bad, don't do bad.
Then you do X, get in deep trouble, and cry about how could anyone possible let this happen, and expect everyone else around you to clean up the mess, arent you.
Google dominating the internet IS a privacy problem.
Taking google tracking bullshit out of your browser does nothing to address their monopolistic power that allows them to violate your privacy even without their tracking shit in their browser. Using Chrome/Chromium hurts privacy. Because using google shit in general hurts privacy. Using chrome/chromium furthers googles base, further forces the web to align with what google wants, and is bad for privacy, and for everything.
And Chrome was never the most performant. Google just sabotage their own services to run worse on competitors browsers, because end users are stupid and will just assume "not google browser = bad " and use chrome.
And if you still cant wrap your head around it, then you're hopeless.
Google dominating the internet IS a privacy problem.
I agree, but using a non-Google, Chromium-based browser/fork that removes all of the Google bits is a
separate issue than Google Chrome having huge marketshare. I don't know how old you are, and the reason I say that is because I'm old enough to remember the original beta release (and 1.0) of Chrome. Chrome then isn't what Chrome became years later, and now. That was my point in bringing up the past; because you're acting like it's been like this since day 1.And Chrome was never the most performant. Google just sabotage their own services to run worse on competitors browsers, because end users are stupid and will just assume "not google browser = bad " and use chrome.
Sure, rewrite history. Chrome was never the most performant, and nobody had anything to say about its ludicrous speeds during the Windows XP/7 era, when it was released /s. I understand what you're saying, but my overall point is that you're being hyperbolic and tying together separate issues under one label. For example, Brave sucks, but not because it's based on Chromium. It sucks because of their policies and the actual execution (e.g. removal of privacy-preserving features, whitelisting Meta ads, etc).
Also, you clearly don't read anything because I already told you that I switched from Brave to Firefox on all of my devices. Now what I'd like to know is, what browser(s) are you using, and do you recommend, and why. Because, by your logic, it's the rendering engine (Blink) that is the issue, since you say that even anti-Google forks of Chromium (not Chrome) are as bad as Chrome itself. Does that means that now I can't use Firefox forks, because they're all tied back to Mozilla, who also has inserted/removed/changed features that have to do with privacy? I'm genuinely asking you.
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I was pretty confused when reading because it sounded like you were thanking me for calling our far right BS from the person was talking to, but I was calling our far left BS instead.
But after a couple paragraphs, I realized it was me you were talking about. So thank you for giving me a chance to see this and respond.
professional far right fire hydrant apologist
Everything here is incorrect. I'm not being paid, I'm not far right (I hate Trump and voted for Biden in 2020), and I call out far right BS all the time (had an argument w/ my boss the other day who supported Trump's tariff and immigration policy).
ignoring extremely glaring issues
I've tried to cover all of them, but my posts get long as is, so I try to combine a few. I don't follow Brave news much, so I'll miss some things.
funding intolerance isn’t intolerance
If I donated to an intolerant PAC or something, sure, I'd get that. If I bought products from a corporation that openly funds intolerant PACs with a large chunk of profits, I'd get that as well.
But if the CEO uses their personal money on it, I have more trouble connecting that with the company. As long as they keep personal opinions personal and don't drag the company into it, I'm fine. The VP seems worse than him honestly (from the article).
A CEO is not the company, and if you disable ads, don't use their search engine, and don't engage with their crypto nonsense, you're not giving them any money. I do all of that for the handful of minutes each day I use it.
I use Firefox as my main browser, and that's what I recommend to others. I use Brave as my backup browser, because I need something that runs on the Chromium engine that doesn't have ads. I think people are overreacting about Eich. I disagree with his politics, but as long as he keeps that outside the company, I'm okay with it.
crypto scam was essentially malware, and did cause performance hits to devices using Brave (part of the reason why it was caught).
I assume you're talking about the referral link thing? Yeah, that was bad, and I think I mentioned that. At least they quickly reversed course.
I can see an argument for them thinking it wasn't that bad, so I'm willing to chalk it up to naïveté. It wasn't quite as bad as Honey, which removed other referral codes. It's still bad.
I didn't hear that it caused performance issues though.
false equivalency between something like hard drugs and gambling - things that literally statistically bring literal harm - to marriage
I never claimed they were equivalent. I merely pointed to them as fairly unpopular things that I support, and gave reasons for it.
And I agree, they can absolutely cause problems in marriage, as well as non-married people (addiction is real), hence why I said they are "bad." But "bad" doesn't necessarily have to mean "illegal."
I have never used drugs, gambled, or hired a prostitute, and I don't think anyone else should, but I will absolutely support legalizing them. In fact, I'm quite religious, and those things are 100% against my religion, but I believe personal morality shouldn't really impact politics. My religion and moral code is for me, and I'm not going to force that on anyone.
In short, I support these probably for the same reason you oppose Eich: I believe in freedom. I guess I define that a bit more liberally than you do.
that’s why Teslas are burning
Teslas are burning as a symbol of opposition to Musk and DOGE. And I completely respect that, I also don't like Musk and DOGE.
That said, this isn't going to change anything. Musk has enough money that even if Tesla disappears, he'll still be filthy rich. He does seem to care about the "richest man in the world" title, so I guess it will hurt his ego a little.
The ones that'll suffer more are regular people who bought a Tesla years ago and are getting caught in the crossfire. Some idiots will burn privately owned Teslas, insurance coverage will get dropped, etc. That's not worth it IMO.
Protest at Tesla dealerships, or better yet your state capital. I might even join you. But wanton destruction isn't the way.
In short, I support these probably for the same reason you oppose Eich: I believe in freedom. I guess I define that a bit more liberally than you do.
I know you fake mofos are the type to always need to get the last word because it makes it seem to other dumdums that getting the last say is somehow "winning", but I'm leaving this link here for anyone who remotely might believe your take is a good one:
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Goggles is the first part, the owner is the second part
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the issue is not only the Brave browser itself, but the owners of it.
I mean, that an issue, sure. But I gotta be honest with you, I care far more about the practicalities of the technology than the personalities behind them. So I guess that's where we see things differently. Don't let me get in your way on that front, if that's what really matters to you.
I see browsers as being problematic in general right now and new solutions are needed. If you're happy with tracking and spying at the browser level, then fine, but I'm interested in how we can put an end to that.
If you're happy with tracking and spying at the browser level, then fine, but I'm interested in how we can put an end to that.
And brave has shown it's not a solution to that at all, so there's literally no reason to defend them, or use them.
