Why I recommend against Brave.
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You're the kind of person that gets told repeatedly that X is bad, don't do bad.
Then you do X, get in deep trouble, and cry about how could anyone possible let this happen, and expect everyone else around you to clean up the mess, arent you.
Google dominating the internet IS a privacy problem.
Taking google tracking bullshit out of your browser does nothing to address their monopolistic power that allows them to violate your privacy even without their tracking shit in their browser. Using Chrome/Chromium hurts privacy. Because using google shit in general hurts privacy. Using chrome/chromium furthers googles base, further forces the web to align with what google wants, and is bad for privacy, and for everything.
And Chrome was never the most performant. Google just sabotage their own services to run worse on competitors browsers, because end users are stupid and will just assume "not google browser = bad " and use chrome.
And if you still cant wrap your head around it, then you're hopeless.
Google dominating the internet IS a privacy problem.
I agree, but using a non-Google, Chromium-based browser/fork that removes all of the Google bits is a
separate issue than Google Chrome having huge marketshare. I don't know how old you are, and the reason I say that is because I'm old enough to remember the original beta release (and 1.0) of Chrome. Chrome then isn't what Chrome became years later, and now. That was my point in bringing up the past; because you're acting like it's been like this since day 1.And Chrome was never the most performant. Google just sabotage their own services to run worse on competitors browsers, because end users are stupid and will just assume "not google browser = bad " and use chrome.
Sure, rewrite history. Chrome was never the most performant, and nobody had anything to say about its ludicrous speeds during the Windows XP/7 era, when it was released /s. I understand what you're saying, but my overall point is that you're being hyperbolic and tying together separate issues under one label. For example, Brave sucks, but not because it's based on Chromium. It sucks because of their policies and the actual execution (e.g. removal of privacy-preserving features, whitelisting Meta ads, etc).
Also, you clearly don't read anything because I already told you that I switched from Brave to Firefox on all of my devices. Now what I'd like to know is, what browser(s) are you using, and do you recommend, and why. Because, by your logic, it's the rendering engine (Blink) that is the issue, since you say that even anti-Google forks of Chromium (not Chrome) are as bad as Chrome itself. Does that means that now I can't use Firefox forks, because they're all tied back to Mozilla, who also has inserted/removed/changed features that have to do with privacy? I'm genuinely asking you.
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I was pretty confused when reading because it sounded like you were thanking me for calling our far right BS from the person was talking to, but I was calling our far left BS instead.
But after a couple paragraphs, I realized it was me you were talking about. So thank you for giving me a chance to see this and respond.
professional far right fire hydrant apologist
Everything here is incorrect. I'm not being paid, I'm not far right (I hate Trump and voted for Biden in 2020), and I call out far right BS all the time (had an argument w/ my boss the other day who supported Trump's tariff and immigration policy).
ignoring extremely glaring issues
I've tried to cover all of them, but my posts get long as is, so I try to combine a few. I don't follow Brave news much, so I'll miss some things.
funding intolerance isn’t intolerance
If I donated to an intolerant PAC or something, sure, I'd get that. If I bought products from a corporation that openly funds intolerant PACs with a large chunk of profits, I'd get that as well.
But if the CEO uses their personal money on it, I have more trouble connecting that with the company. As long as they keep personal opinions personal and don't drag the company into it, I'm fine. The VP seems worse than him honestly (from the article).
A CEO is not the company, and if you disable ads, don't use their search engine, and don't engage with their crypto nonsense, you're not giving them any money. I do all of that for the handful of minutes each day I use it.
I use Firefox as my main browser, and that's what I recommend to others. I use Brave as my backup browser, because I need something that runs on the Chromium engine that doesn't have ads. I think people are overreacting about Eich. I disagree with his politics, but as long as he keeps that outside the company, I'm okay with it.
crypto scam was essentially malware, and did cause performance hits to devices using Brave (part of the reason why it was caught).
I assume you're talking about the referral link thing? Yeah, that was bad, and I think I mentioned that. At least they quickly reversed course.
I can see an argument for them thinking it wasn't that bad, so I'm willing to chalk it up to naïveté. It wasn't quite as bad as Honey, which removed other referral codes. It's still bad.
I didn't hear that it caused performance issues though.
false equivalency between something like hard drugs and gambling - things that literally statistically bring literal harm - to marriage
I never claimed they were equivalent. I merely pointed to them as fairly unpopular things that I support, and gave reasons for it.
And I agree, they can absolutely cause problems in marriage, as well as non-married people (addiction is real), hence why I said they are "bad." But "bad" doesn't necessarily have to mean "illegal."
I have never used drugs, gambled, or hired a prostitute, and I don't think anyone else should, but I will absolutely support legalizing them. In fact, I'm quite religious, and those things are 100% against my religion, but I believe personal morality shouldn't really impact politics. My religion and moral code is for me, and I'm not going to force that on anyone.
In short, I support these probably for the same reason you oppose Eich: I believe in freedom. I guess I define that a bit more liberally than you do.
that’s why Teslas are burning
Teslas are burning as a symbol of opposition to Musk and DOGE. And I completely respect that, I also don't like Musk and DOGE.
That said, this isn't going to change anything. Musk has enough money that even if Tesla disappears, he'll still be filthy rich. He does seem to care about the "richest man in the world" title, so I guess it will hurt his ego a little.
The ones that'll suffer more are regular people who bought a Tesla years ago and are getting caught in the crossfire. Some idiots will burn privately owned Teslas, insurance coverage will get dropped, etc. That's not worth it IMO.
Protest at Tesla dealerships, or better yet your state capital. I might even join you. But wanton destruction isn't the way.
In short, I support these probably for the same reason you oppose Eich: I believe in freedom. I guess I define that a bit more liberally than you do.
I know you fake mofos are the type to always need to get the last word because it makes it seem to other dumdums that getting the last say is somehow "winning", but I'm leaving this link here for anyone who remotely might believe your take is a good one:
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Goggles is the first part, the owner is the second part
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the issue is not only the Brave browser itself, but the owners of it.
I mean, that an issue, sure. But I gotta be honest with you, I care far more about the practicalities of the technology than the personalities behind them. So I guess that's where we see things differently. Don't let me get in your way on that front, if that's what really matters to you.
I see browsers as being problematic in general right now and new solutions are needed. If you're happy with tracking and spying at the browser level, then fine, but I'm interested in how we can put an end to that.
If you're happy with tracking and spying at the browser level, then fine, but I'm interested in how we can put an end to that.
And brave has shown it's not a solution to that at all, so there's literally no reason to defend them, or use them.
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Isn't every chromium browser going to lose manifest v2 eventually, causing the real ublock origin to stop working?
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If you are keen on personal privacy, you might have come across Brave Browser. Brave is a Chromium-based browser that promises to deliver privacy with built-in ad-blocking and content-blocking protection. It also offers several quality-of-life features and services, like a VPN and Tor access. I mean, it's even listed on the reputable PrivacyTools website. Why am I telling you to steer clear of this browser, then?
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June 2025 is when manifest v2 is supposed to die for good. I think the issue is that it's not really possible for Vivaldi or Microsoft or whoever to keep the code in there long term even if they wanted to.
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Okay but the very fact that Brave is a crypto-riddled mess that REPEATEDLY SCAMMED ITS OWN USERS (in what world do you think that's stopped, and it isn't just 'we haven't found out how they're still doing it in 2025 yet') is absolutely influenced by his views. His views are baked in to everything about that browser, up to and including YET ANOTHER bloody built-in LLM constantly popping up on interaction and trying to sell you on AI hallucinations being the future while wasting heck knows how much electricity (Leo).
They've never scammed their own users.
trying to sell you on AI hallucinations being the future while wasting heck knows how much electricity
Hello, I see you've been living under a rock. Welcome to 2025. This is literally every company. My pdf reader is trying to push an AI assistant on me.
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Thank goodness that we can post things in here without Braves astroturfed PR community like what happened when any story against brave posted on the other site
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It’s tempting to see his donations to prop 8 as just his personal business, but like so many others you’re missing the fact that when your political beliefs are that other humans are actually subhuman and not equals, that goes beyond “personal politics.” Like outright naziism, there should be no safe place for a single ounce of this thinking. If you think it’s akin to liking shrimp more than chicken, you should deeply rethink your own “personal politics.”
well said
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you should be able to play all the netflix content you need on pretty much any system. here's a community for troubleshooting that.
I've still not forgiven them for prematurely cancelling BoJack Horseman.
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If you are keen on personal privacy, you might have come across Brave Browser. Brave is a Chromium-based browser that promises to deliver privacy with built-in ad-blocking and content-blocking protection. It also offers several quality-of-life features and services, like a VPN and Tor access. I mean, it's even listed on the reputable PrivacyTools website. Why am I telling you to steer clear of this browser, then?
I'm mining bat.
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They bait and switched people promising tokens which they never ended up giving them in exchange for tracking them. Total scam.
Huh? The bat? I get bat...
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I'm almost certain they mean Reddit, but there are a lot of sites that aren't lemmy.dbzer0.com ... like lemm.ee and infosec.pub ... even some sites that aren't Lemmy instances like infosec.exchance or hachyderm.io.
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So brave is for people who want privacy and security and are fine when their private, secure software is designed by people who see no problems with not investigating russian cyberterrorism, russian bots and propaganda and see no issues with sharing some of the highest state secrets over some fucking messenger group with random people from outside the government. OH and not to menition think traitorous felons who failed a coup should be punished with 4 years in the highest office.
I do not know about you but that seems like the software is fucked from start.
designed by people who see no problems with...
Do you have a source for those beliefs, or are you just assuming that someone vaguely supporting Trump has that perspective?
I honestly don't care what the devs believe, as long as they don't intentionally put in vulnerabilities.
this is not the software I want to entrust literally all data of all my finances and important personal details on.
Same, which is why I use and recommend Firefox and derivatives.
My point is that if your requirement is a chromium-hard based browser, you can do a lot worse than Brave.
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What's wrong with ungoogled-chromium? Or Vivaldi?
Vivaldi sends an unstoppable user counter signal to their main server, promised to change the system and now they're ignoring any requests for updates on the issue.
That rustles my Jimmies, dings my bell and waves my red flags.
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I've still not forgiven them for prematurely cancelling BoJack Horseman.
it felt, like, complete, but im genuinely shocked it got as many seasons as it did, not being dog shit. feels like that or 'stranger things' was the last thing to slip through.
but I can only take 'stranger things' on others' word; never got into it myself.
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I made the mistake of responding to Lumiluz on a different comment thread. They haven't responded yet, but based on this communication here I will just ignore any reply. It's strange we live in a world where you can be accused of being a KKK member due to unrelated tools one uses to browse the Internet.
It's not strange, people love jumping to extreme conclusions if there's even a whiff of something they don't like. Name calling is unfortunately very common.
I'd prefer more fact based discussions, but here we are.
The crazy thing is, I very much dislike Trump, but I get labeled as a supporter if I dare say anything positive about him or anyone who supports him, or in this case, not vehemently oppose everything a Trump supporter touches. I find that ridiculous, but here we are.
Anyway, hopefully someone finds what I write useful.
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It’s tempting to see his donations to prop 8 as just his personal business, but like so many others you’re missing the fact that when your political beliefs are that other humans are actually subhuman and not equals, that goes beyond “personal politics.” Like outright naziism, there should be no safe place for a single ounce of this thinking. If you think it’s akin to liking shrimp more than chicken, you should deeply rethink your own “personal politics.”
you’re missing the fact that when your political beliefs are that other humans are actually subhuman and not equals
Wait, so believing same sex marriage shouldn't be allowed means you think gay people are sub-human? That's quite the leap. It may be true, but you'll need a bit more evidence than a private donation to a group pushing a bill to ban same sex marriage.
Even if he is literal Nazi trash (big doubt), his company produces FOSS, which can and should be evaluated on its own merits.
Look, I'm married to an immigrant POC. If he supported banning immigration interracial marriage, that would piss me off, but it wouldn't have any impact on the quality of the browser. I bet CEOs of companies that make a number of products I use have terrible political takes or like Eich, but that doesn't change the quality of the product.
If he brought his politics into his company, that would be different. But how he spends his money and free time doesn't really matter to me.
