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Thanks for pointing this out. I'm guessing part of this is why so many messengers either create a new protocol or choose XMPP

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Which applies to 99% of people making Delta Chat not a viable alternative to WhatsApp.

The Fediverse has the same problem that Linux, and Open Source in general, struggles with. The barriers to entry and network effects work against widespread adoption.

Until technology is packaged in a way that makes it dead simple and/or unavoidable, people won’t make the effort to move en masse.

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This does nothing to fix the problem.

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Try telling people around you instead of random strangers and try getting more people around you.

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The difference is signal has millions of users and most people have already maybe heard of it.

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You want them to shill to fewer people here? That does not sound helpful to either side.

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Email? So its just encrypted SMS?

Might come down to the metadata, then, like SFTP vs FTPES or GET vs POST.

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It's considered a good idea because it runs over omnipresent, already-existent, distributed infrastructure. In other words, for this particular chat app, you don't even need to create an account. That is at very least an interesting and noteworthy feature.

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They are right. Terminology is important in this discussion.

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And avoiding the ambiguous, confusing, phrase 'open source', which looks cleverly engineered to scam us out of libre software, control over our own computing.

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I guess so. It's encrypted data sent over email from what i understand. Tbf i'd rather trust software built with protocols specifically built for secure and private messaging, and email is known to not be that.

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Right, they don't support the advanced login protocols some providers like outlook require. That was a deal breaker, because deltachat was pretty much the last encrypted messaging service which worked in China.

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Sms and email are not remotely the same

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The other difference is that promoting more and more obscure, useless shit ruins your credibility for when you're trying to get them to Lemmy or Signal or Mastodon.

Signal is an absolutely fine product and doesn't need to be decentralized right now.

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I get that you're using AI directly related to your point, but it's still a lot of shitty AI spam.

Use it for your own research, but don't foist that on us.

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so I found it interesting and checked it out. the protocol is all well and good but the problem is social. I'm simply not going to send people my delta chat Id and ask them to message me there instead if they have delta chat installed. I had the same problem with session messenger.

when I meet someone irl I'm trading phone numbers. not asking if they have app X installed.

this might be useful for open source projects where you can use ur delta chat id instead of ur email. but it's not something I would use unless it's a requirement to join some community I wanted to.

the problem signal solves by tieing accounts to your phone number is contact discovery. thanks to user IDs you no longer have to share your phone number with people u want to chat with, and can only share your user id

plus signal guarantees the metadata is encrypted. is the same true for delta chat?

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Yes, I really have t looked into this before. I just vaguely remembered jokes about PGP from a security class a while back, so looked it up. It does look like the encryption scheme used in XMPP does solve this issue.

Wikipedia saves the day again:

OMEMO is an extension to the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) for multi-client end-to-end encryption developed by Andreas Straub. According to Straub, OMEMO uses the Double Ratchet Algorithm "to provide multi-end to multi-end encryption, allowing messages to be synchronized securely across multiple clients, even if some of them are offline".[1] The name "OMEMO" is a recursive acronym for "OMEMO Multi-End Message and Object Encryption". It is an open standard based on the Double Ratchet Algorithm and the Personal Eventing Protocol (PEP, XEP-0163).[2] OMEMO offers future and forward secrecy and deniability with message synchronization and offline delivery.

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So if you don't need to create an account, how do you know you're talking to who you think you're talking to?

I can see this being valuable as a Lemmy style service where I'm sharing information and reading information but want to be anonymous. But not a good service if I want to talk to my mom about a sensitive subject and protect my privacy.

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Never heard of DeltaChat why not signal??

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Join obv.

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