An Iraqi man who carried out several Quran burnings in Sweden has been killed
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Christianity is the world‘s largest religion. Not that it makes any difference how big or small any religion is for inciting hatred against it to be wrong or hatred against anyone for that matter. Furthermore, this happened in Sweden and in Sweden Muslims are definitely a minority.
Who is ”they“ in that context? You talk a lot about “them“ doing these things as if that would mean everyone. OTOH I’m Muslim too and I have a large mostly Muslim family and a large friend circle and I mostly consume Arabic media. I can tell you that I’m mostly busy working, doing laundry, thinking about what to cook, wondering which show to watch next, trying to have a social life and being angry about the Gaza genocide and the rise of Nazism in the west. That’s the reality for pretty much everyone I know, except for those lucky bastards who are retired or still in school. But they have their own shit to worry about.
We don’t care about pride flags and crazy people, we have enough of crazy to deal with at home. This guy in particular pissed me off because he was just trying to spread hatred, how does that make the world a better place? Even the Swedish government wanted to get rid of him but couldn’t, because he would be facing torture in Iraq, which btw is the same Iraq that received democracy from our friends in the US and their illegal invasion. Not that Saddam was any better.
Anyway. I hope you get my point, we have other things to worry about than this, the guy was a giant asshole and he should have been tried as was intended instead of being assassinated, but don’t involve me or Muslims in general in that. I’m against capital punishment and I couldn’t think of anyone I know who would be in favor of that, no matter why.
I also don’t start political discussions with my Hindu Indian friends when I see that there’s some lynch mob attacking Muslims somewhere in India and I leave my White American friends alone when there’s the next shooting conducted by a far right guy. So please just give me a break from your generalizations.
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Burning a religious book in protest =/= Nazi behaviour
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I am an atheist/agnostic, I won't be caught dead saying these books aren't deeply problematic, that wasn't my point, my point is that despite all that there is also some good to these books and exploration however fraught of morals and philosophy.
Mein Kampf is just pathetic, lame trash and as I said before it is an insult to those religious works to compare them with a document solely designed to rationalize genocide and hate.
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incitement to kill people, which is the ultimate goal of the book burning
Yeah, no, you can't just go claiming that's what burning a book is about, especially a religious text
I've burned multiple religious texts in protest, it's never been about incitement to kill
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He died for destroying a book, for burning paper, no human was hurt and he died because some religious extremist can't control themselves.
Great example of how religion needs to be properly regulated.
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I didn't name call and demean. You did.
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Freedom from religious persecution?
He got the exact opposite of what he wanted you daft idiot
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So wanting freedom from religious persecution is the same as being a Nazi now?
Interesting, I did not know that
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What has the state to do with it? Everything. I'm all for nazis burning books, clothes or wood. As long as it's their own and they don't harm anyone. I don't know if he was a Nazi, he was full in his right to burn his own property. If you are worried about what someone does with his own shit, you might be the Nazi.
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Right, so if I get a copy of your birth certificate, walk in front of your house after saying you shouldn't exist, and burn your birth certificate you're completely okay and wouldn't think it's a threat against you, right?
If I say 'i hate (insert your race)', and get material that is commonly associated with your local race and culture, and set it on fire in your front yard, you have no problems, right?
So the KKK did nothing wrong, according to your logic.
I'm not saying you really believe that, only a literal bigot would, but that's what you're arguing in order to justify your anti Muslim or anti religious hatred.
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Christianity is the world‘s largest religion. Not that it makes any difference how big or small any religion is for inciting hatred against it to be wrong or hatred against anyone for that matter. Furthermore, this happened in Sweden and in Sweden Muslims are definitely a minority.
Doesn't mean that much in a globalized world anymore. The fact is that close to all muslim countries (almost all of which are larger than sweden in population btw) turned this completely legal and frankly, innocent act, into the shitshow that it is. I think he should have torched a Bible too just to prove a point, together with any other book that he can buy for his own money, and do with what he wants. Not defending him, just the principle.
Did you know that Swedish people got killed by muslims in the Netherlands just for wearing swedish football jerseys? For having exactly nothing to do with Salwan.
We don’t care about pride flags and crazy people, we have enough of crazy to deal with at home.
You care enough about it for it to be illegal to be homosexual, that is cruel and unusual in most peoples eyes. And yes you do have plenty of crazy, and due to it being fuled by a proselytic religion, it spreads by design and those who do not follow it are "lesser". Compare that to jewish people, who traditionally doesn't even allow converts to call themselves jewish. They keep to themselves in Sweden and live completely peacefully. Until recently when synagogs in Sweden are ruined by muslims that take up the fight for Gaza by attacking those that have NOTHING to do with the conflict.
This guy in particular pissed me off because he was just trying to spread hatred, how does that make the world a better place?
That's the whole point. Why even care? He is nothing, just another loudmouth that affect nothing from his small echo chamber. It's the reactions from muslims that most people take offense of. When they destroy other civilians property cause "me angry!"
Anyway. I hope you get my point, we have other things to worry about than this, the guy was a giant asshole and he should have been tried as was intended instead of being assassinated, but don’t involve me or Muslims in general in that.
I do get your point, but as long as there are theocracies that push to kill others, then the followers are gonna be blamed. Death to infidels and all that.
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He was absolutely trying to get a reaction. I'm not saying that it's good that he got the one he did, I'm just saying it was predictable.
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In what way was he being religiously persecuted in Sweden before burning Korans? If you don't think he intended provocation with such stunts, then you might be the draft idiot here. Again: justified? No. Predictable? Yes.
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Burning religious books is Nazi behabior. Nazis burnt plenty of religious books. What is next KKK rallies being protests?
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He was free from religious persecution. Turns out he was the person who was doing the religious persecution and wanted to keep doing it.
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In my front yard? That's trespassing, and a fire code violation. Also getting a copy of my birth certificate without my permission is against the law.
You can make an oil painting of me and burn it away from any flammable material.
The kkk was wrong because of the lynchings, and the guy in the news story hasn't killed any Muslims, as far as I know. Quite the contrary, so Que would be saying QED if he weren't dead.
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Great way to admit you didn't read it. You are just looking for a way to ignore what they said. I'd recommend you actually take a look at it.
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Now you’re just moving goalposts after making a false claim and you don’t even bother to correct it. Of course what I said matters.
You care enough about it for it to be illegal to be homosexual, that is cruel and unusual in most peoples eyes. And yes you do have plenty of crazy, and due to it being fuled by a proselytic religion, it spreads by design and those who do not follow it are "lesser". Compare that to jewish people, who traditionally doesn't even allow converts to call themselves jewish. They keep to themselves in Sweden and live completely peacefully. Until recently when synagogs in Sweden are ruined by muslims that take up the fight for Gaza by attacking those that have NOTHING to do with the conflict.
Personally, I haven’t made anything illegal, nor have I attacked anyone. There are 46 countries in the world with majority Muslim populations, 23 declare Islam to be the state religion in their constitutions. The rest either proclaim the state to be secular or make no pronouncement concerning an official religion. I did not make the laws of any of these countries, nor did the majority of the people living in these countries.
Feel free to criticize the dictatorships that use these rules to control and terrify people, we don’t have much love for them, but don’t make this about Muslims in general. Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. Do I now assume that all Jewish people are genocidal maniacs? No, because that would rightfully be called antisemitic and it’s equally Islamophobic to hold all Muslim people accountable for the nut jobs who probably did this.
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It's not just paper. It's a symbol. If you can't understand that then there's no hope for you in this world. You have a fundamentally flawed view of humanity if you can't see humans ascribe meaning to object, religious or not. It's the same reason burning a flag gets people upset.
You can argue it's irrational, because it obviously is, but humans are not rational creatures.
Now, go only do objective rational things somewhere else. You're words aren't worth anything. You're wasting your effort writing them.
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Just because you are allowed to do something doesnt mean you should.