An Iraqi man who carried out several Quran burnings in Sweden has been killed

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Hate speech is an exception to the freedom of speech in Sweden. (Same as in EU countries).

You are allowed to practice your religion and express yourself, but hate speech is off the table.

So if he was not jailed or fined for these book burnings, the law has failed and somebody could have taken matters in their own hands.

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Yeah I have read both the Quran and some exempts from Mein Kampf. Cannot recommend the latter.

My favorite part from Mein Kampf was the one about the fox, the goose and the tiger who are all assumed to be hostile towards each other. Because of this „Arians“ shouldn’t mingle with Jews. If you’re troubled with following the soundness of the argument that’s because there is none.

Let’s ignore for a second that it’s just outright offensive to compare the books of any world religion to Mein Kampf. Even if you don’t believe in the whole God thing, then the Quran would still be a brilliant collection of verses spoken by some illiterate orphan without any education somewhere in the Arabian desert. And I can tell you that because I‘m a native speaker and even the hardcore atheist Arabs agree with me on that.

I think no one should be assassinated and capital punishment shouldn’t exist. And believe me when I tell you that I want freedom of speech. But there’s freedom of speech and hate speech. I don’t want freedom of hate speech and I don’t care about whom.

I still don’t think anyone deserves capital punishment for anything, but to use this to generalize against all Muslims and our religious books is rightfully being called out as what it is, Islamophobia. Say the exact same things you said just about burning the Torah and we wouldn’t even have to argue about that being antisemitic.

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so, momika has been in sweden a few years. he converted to christianity in his home country, started shouting loudly about freedom of speech there, got told to stop, then filed for asylum in sweden. once here he kept doing the same thing, which of course jeopardises his asylum claim. only he wasn't first. rasmus paludan has been burning qurans here for a while, always doing it in neighbourhoods with a majority muslim population. as a demonstration of the problem with religion, it's effective. once. but both of them did it for years, and the things they have been saying during their book burning made it clear that it was not actually about freedom of speech, but about hatred of muslims. not islam, muslims. and they were both in court for the crime of hets mot folkgrupp ("incitement of hatred against a population group"). they clearly overstepped the law of the country they were in.

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why not both?

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Basically fanfic commissioned by King James VI/I

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This is such a bullshit take with some not so subtle apoligism and blame shifting.

If burning a book causes a lot of harm in any way besides burn damage, the burner is hardly to blame but something else is fundamentally wrong, and he tried to make that very obvious to everyone with his own life at risk.

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raised anger and criticism in several Muslim nations

I don't think there are many non-Muslims who were onboard with this stupid shit either, to be fair. Besides the spittle-flecked gammon who were already bigots to begin with, of course.

The only Quran burning I'd support would be if Elon Musk did it as part of his whole white identitarian shtick. I'd send ISIS the airfare myself.

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So how long have you sided with the Nazis and fundamentalist Christians?

Because now you're excuse their book burning.

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The scale makes all the difference here.

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Yes, it's so much better when one group of bigots burn books than a larger group of bigots burn more books.

I guess this is the lesser evil you guys keep voting for, just a little book burning and hate speech, as a compromise.

Just a pro tip, if you are ever on the side of people burning books, you're in the wrong.

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He was a asshole, but he sound have been free and safe to be an asshole.

Fuck religion

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Toss in a torah to complete the Abrahamic trifecta and top it with dianetics because fuck scientology in particular.

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Seems pretty accepted by some Lemmy commenters and certain vocal minorities in the western countries.

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No? He's saying it triggers plenty of Islamophobia. If you actually follow the logic, it sounds more like he's adding more arguments against this kind of killing.

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What a take.

You see the difference of an individual burning a book that he owns and leaving your books alone and the state burning all the books and forbidding you from accessing them... right?

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I haven't read the Quran or Mein Kampf, but even the old testament is plenty hateful.

Your kid makes fun of some bald dude? Death penalty, mauled by bear.

Add to that (I've heard second hand, correct me if I'm wrong) that there is some pedofilia/child marriage in the Quran, so I see how someone could have strong feelings about it.

The amount of people liking a book shouldn't be an argument to judge its hatrfulness.

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Well that checks out.

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This is, as a matter of fact, incorrect. There is only one law regarding what in english might be called "hate speech". It refers to "agitation against a population group", and is the only exception to freedom of expression relevant in this context, mentioned in "brottsbalken", our criminal law.

Brottsbalken, Kap. 16, 8 § Den som i ett uttalande eller i ett annat meddelande som sprids uppmanar till våld mot, hotar eller uttrycker missaktning för en folkgrupp, en annan sådan grupp av personer eller en enskild i någon av dessa grupper med anspelning på ras, hudfärg, nationellt eller etniskt ursprung, trosbekännelse, sexuell läggning eller könsöverskridande identitet eller uttryck, döms för hets mot folkgrupp till fängelse i högst två år.

Criticism of religion however is raised in other, more important parts of law, namely the Swedish form of Government (our constitution). It is there, specifically and repeatedly, mentioned as a kind of speech and expression that is protected. As such, in the case of Salwan Momika it'd have been necessary to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he intended to target muslims by burning quran books, rather than (as he himself claimed) to openly criticize islam. Nobody has as of the posting of this comment been deemed guilty of agitation for burning any religious texts in Sweden under the current law.

This is part of why the trial of him and his companion ended up taking so long. It was one of the first high-profile cases of its kind and likely to set precedent on the topic. As such, I consider his assassination on the night before the verdict of his trial to be not only a barbaric act of violence, but also an explicit attack on the Swedish legal system, our constitution and our freedom of expression.

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I'm not for the death penalty or killing people generally (very rare exceptions, maybe).

That said, he did it to rile up millions of people with hate speech (for them it is I bet), so like don't do that or you might face consequences.

Free speech isn't about the right to hate speeching. What a douchebag.

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An Iraqi man who carried out several Quran burnings in Sweden has been killed