An Iraqi man who carried out several Quran burnings in Sweden has been killed

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Being offended is not a justification for killing nor is it hate speech.

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Its doing so outside of their house that could be intimidation at that point though. So if you burnt the art in your own home surely it would be fine? Essentially the burning isn't the problem.

A more reasonable response is Muslims call the guy a cunt and move on.

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That's different as those are very niche.

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He was being charged for doing this? I had completely missed that. Was Sweden always like this?

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Where the hell do you see me saying killing is okay? I say literally the opposite.

Also, he did hate speech, he was on trial for it, read the article!

Are you one of the bigots trying to stir things up or what the hell is your agenda?

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Publicly burning symbols of a minority group or a world view is an incitement to violence against that group or people holding that world view.

It has nothing to do with constructive criticism. It is symbolizing a violent act, with the goal to incite more violence.

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I agree on the "reasonable response" aspect.

I think for the first question it should revolve around "public" or "private". if you do something at home and record it to share the video on the internet, it is still public, with the goal to be public.

So in regards to incitement or hate speech it is also different if your racist uncle spurts his ideas at the family reunion, or if he broadcasts them on twitter.

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You know that the Nazis in Germany burned a lot of books?

Your general statement would absolve them from their actions and intentions and instead shifts the blame onto the people who got persecuted by having their books burnt. Which later escalated to more than "just" burning books.

You cannot reduce it to the action itself and ignore all the context around it, especially not the intentions of the perpetrators.

And "other people shouldn't get offended if i insult and attack them constantly" is hardly acceptable in any other social context. E.g. i hope you would oppose insulting LGBTQ, Women, Ethnic minorities, disabled people...

And it should be obvious from these examples, that "it is just a joke" or "it is just an insult and i should be allowed to insult, because muuh free speech" is not a sincere argument, by the people spreading the hate. And their intention is never to keep the hate at verbal abuse, but to escalate it to physical violence.

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I wasn't so much thinking of public/private, but doing it outside someones house has a bit of an "I know where you live" vibe to it.

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No, people haven't been killed over a religious text for a very, very long time. Then we imported the religious issue.

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No agenda. Free speech absolutist. Criticism of a topic no matter how offensive must be allowed.

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Blasting religion for it's cruelty is always appreciated.

To bad he was a raging hypocrite who targeted Muslims due to himself being targeted as a Christian. Religion is gonna religion until they all stop believing the nonsense or everyone gets converted (alive or dead).

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It is more offensive to kill someone rather than destroying a book. Any group of people that kills over offense is a danger to their society and the world.

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His schtick was grifting and being as racist as possible against brown people.

Fucking what? He WAS "brown" aswell. He was a Christian from Iraq, ostracized for being Christian, by Muslims. I would have been all for him burning all of the religious texts in protest, but also, he was one of them.

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Oh, so not a small minority. Good to have that cleared up. Show me a liberal, free muslim country, then i can show you all of them that are not.

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I don’t understand the point of your comment.

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No, i guess that would be too much to ask.

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He was the leader of a Christian militia group too supplied by Iran. You are leaving quite a few details out.

But waiving the flag of the white Apartheid in the middle east can imply little else than racism. If anything he should be burning American and Israeli flags for destroying his country.

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Any group of people that kills over offense is a danger to their society and the world.

Which group? How do you define that group? Do you think groups of people should be collectively punished for the actions of individuals of that group?

Also i fail to see why incitement to kill people, which is the ultimate goal of the book burning becomes acceptable, because killing people is worse? Is every lesser crime acceptable? is every hate speech acceptable? Is everything acceptable that falls short of killing someone?

I think it should be obvious that lesser crimes are still crimes and i think it should be obvious, that hate speech against minorities is particular problematic, as it leads to killing people of that minority, which as you point out is the most severe crime.

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It's also super tiring to read all the ahmadullilah comments under the TRT post on YouTube about this. Kind of offensive too, you know.

I'm with you 100% combatting islamophobia everywhere, but I don't see much in terms of combatting ...islamic-supremacy(?), see I don't even know what to call it. We don't even name it. It's not "Islamism" because that means anything and nothing, it's not "Islamic extremism" because that's like the maniacs. What do we call the low key thing? The one that feeds into the culture war on the muslim side?

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An Iraqi man who carried out several Quran burnings in Sweden has been killed