An Iraqi man who carried out several Quran burnings in Sweden has been killed
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Right, so if I get a copy of your birth certificate, walk in front of your house after saying you shouldn't exist, and burn your birth certificate you're completely okay and wouldn't think it's a threat against you, right?
If I say 'i hate (insert your race)', and get material that is commonly associated with your local race and culture, and set it on fire in your front yard, you have no problems, right?
So the KKK did nothing wrong, according to your logic.
I'm not saying you really believe that, only a literal bigot would, but that's what you're arguing in order to justify your anti Muslim or anti religious hatred.
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Christianity is the world‘s largest religion. Not that it makes any difference how big or small any religion is for inciting hatred against it to be wrong or hatred against anyone for that matter. Furthermore, this happened in Sweden and in Sweden Muslims are definitely a minority.
Doesn't mean that much in a globalized world anymore. The fact is that close to all muslim countries (almost all of which are larger than sweden in population btw) turned this completely legal and frankly, innocent act, into the shitshow that it is. I think he should have torched a Bible too just to prove a point, together with any other book that he can buy for his own money, and do with what he wants. Not defending him, just the principle.
Did you know that Swedish people got killed by muslims in the Netherlands just for wearing swedish football jerseys? For having exactly nothing to do with Salwan.
We don’t care about pride flags and crazy people, we have enough of crazy to deal with at home.
You care enough about it for it to be illegal to be homosexual, that is cruel and unusual in most peoples eyes. And yes you do have plenty of crazy, and due to it being fuled by a proselytic religion, it spreads by design and those who do not follow it are "lesser". Compare that to jewish people, who traditionally doesn't even allow converts to call themselves jewish. They keep to themselves in Sweden and live completely peacefully. Until recently when synagogs in Sweden are ruined by muslims that take up the fight for Gaza by attacking those that have NOTHING to do with the conflict.
This guy in particular pissed me off because he was just trying to spread hatred, how does that make the world a better place?
That's the whole point. Why even care? He is nothing, just another loudmouth that affect nothing from his small echo chamber. It's the reactions from muslims that most people take offense of. When they destroy other civilians property cause "me angry!"
Anyway. I hope you get my point, we have other things to worry about than this, the guy was a giant asshole and he should have been tried as was intended instead of being assassinated, but don’t involve me or Muslims in general in that.
I do get your point, but as long as there are theocracies that push to kill others, then the followers are gonna be blamed. Death to infidels and all that.
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He was absolutely trying to get a reaction. I'm not saying that it's good that he got the one he did, I'm just saying it was predictable.
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In what way was he being religiously persecuted in Sweden before burning Korans? If you don't think he intended provocation with such stunts, then you might be the draft idiot here. Again: justified? No. Predictable? Yes.
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Burning religious books is Nazi behabior. Nazis burnt plenty of religious books. What is next KKK rallies being protests?
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He was free from religious persecution. Turns out he was the person who was doing the religious persecution and wanted to keep doing it.
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In my front yard? That's trespassing, and a fire code violation. Also getting a copy of my birth certificate without my permission is against the law.
You can make an oil painting of me and burn it away from any flammable material.
The kkk was wrong because of the lynchings, and the guy in the news story hasn't killed any Muslims, as far as I know. Quite the contrary, so Que would be saying QED if he weren't dead.
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Great way to admit you didn't read it. You are just looking for a way to ignore what they said. I'd recommend you actually take a look at it.
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Now you’re just moving goalposts after making a false claim and you don’t even bother to correct it. Of course what I said matters.
You care enough about it for it to be illegal to be homosexual, that is cruel and unusual in most peoples eyes. And yes you do have plenty of crazy, and due to it being fuled by a proselytic religion, it spreads by design and those who do not follow it are "lesser". Compare that to jewish people, who traditionally doesn't even allow converts to call themselves jewish. They keep to themselves in Sweden and live completely peacefully. Until recently when synagogs in Sweden are ruined by muslims that take up the fight for Gaza by attacking those that have NOTHING to do with the conflict.
Personally, I haven’t made anything illegal, nor have I attacked anyone. There are 46 countries in the world with majority Muslim populations, 23 declare Islam to be the state religion in their constitutions. The rest either proclaim the state to be secular or make no pronouncement concerning an official religion. I did not make the laws of any of these countries, nor did the majority of the people living in these countries.
Feel free to criticize the dictatorships that use these rules to control and terrify people, we don’t have much love for them, but don’t make this about Muslims in general. Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. Do I now assume that all Jewish people are genocidal maniacs? No, because that would rightfully be called antisemitic and it’s equally Islamophobic to hold all Muslim people accountable for the nut jobs who probably did this.
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It's not just paper. It's a symbol. If you can't understand that then there's no hope for you in this world. You have a fundamentally flawed view of humanity if you can't see humans ascribe meaning to object, religious or not. It's the same reason burning a flag gets people upset.
You can argue it's irrational, because it obviously is, but humans are not rational creatures.
Now, go only do objective rational things somewhere else. You're words aren't worth anything. You're wasting your effort writing them.
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Just because you are allowed to do something doesnt mean you should.
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Iran... Oh wait destroyed and overthrown by Liberals in 1953
Show me a Muslim country which has not been invaded, colonized and destroyed by Liberals first.
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Good one dude. Throw in another joke in about Jews owning all the banks and an elite sex ring cabal. Haha aren't these racist jokes funny?
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Oh. So it being illegal is ok, as long as you didn't do it.
Except it's your religion and your book. Do you want me to find the verses that say it's ok to kill other people?
I'm curious what you think is the false claim? I looked through the post and can't find anything that is false.
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Below is the working list of nations that still criminalize consensual same-sex sexual acts between adults
- Algeria
- Afghanistan
- Bangladesh
- Brunei
- Egypt
- Eritrea
- Marocco
- Libya
- Lebanon
- Palestine
- Iran
- Iraq
- Tunisia
- Oman
- Saudi arabia
- Pakistan
- Mauretania
- Mali
And on and on we go.
The only countries that comes close to being reasonably secular are Malaysia and Turkey.
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How exactly was an Iraqi immigrant in Sweden persecuting anyone? Are we using the word persecution to mean whatever the fuck we like now?
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Guy was Iraqi. He was burning symbols of what he grew up experiencing as the oppressive majority.
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free from persecution as long as he goes along with it
Isn’t freedom
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There is a difference between book burning as censorship and book burning as protest
Notably the scale and ability to acquire the book afterwards
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For some context, when one scratches a bit the back-story of this guy, some interesting facts pop up:
Momika came from Qaraqosh, a town in the Al-Hamdaniya district in the northern Iraqi province of Nineveh[5]. He was an ethnic Assyrian and raised as a Syriac Catholic.[6][7] During the Iraqi civil war, when Christians became persecuted by the Islamic State of Iraq (the precursor of ISIS), Momika joined the Assyrian Patriotic Party and worked as a security guard for the party's headquarters in Mosul. According to Iraqi government sources, Momika fled his hometown in 2012 after the local court found him guilty of causing a wrongful death during a car accident and sentenced him to three years of imprisonment in Badush.[8][9]
After the fall of Mosul to ISIS militants in June 2014, Momika joined the Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF) to fight against ISIS.[10] Specifically, he has appeared in videos in military uniform, as a part of the Christian unit "Spirit of God Jesus Son of Mary Battalion" (Kataib Rouh Allah Issa Ibn Miriam) brandishing firearms and pledging allegiance to the Imam Ali Brigades (to which the Christian unit is a part of), which are a PMF faction and part of the Islamic Movement of Iraq.[11] The Imam Ali Brigades are known to have close connections to Iran and is considered to be an Iranian proxy.[12] The brigades were also accused of committing war crimes and engaging in sectarian violence.[13] It's said that Momika was also affiliated with the Syriac Assembly Movement, a political party that received support from the Government of the Kurdistan Region.[14]
Momika also founded the Syriac Democratic Union and the Falcons of the Syriac Forces in 2014, an armed militia which was affiliated with the Christian militia Babylon Brigade, the armed wing of the Babylon Movement.[12] In 2017, Momika was involved in an internal power struggle with fellow Babylon Movement leader Rayan al-Kildani, which he lost. He fled the country as a result.[15]
In 2017, Momika fled to Germany with a Schengen visa, where he announced his atheism and apostasy from Christianity.
The rest of the article also describes multiple instances of him behaving erratically (e.g. threatening someone with a knife etc).
So before we go to the standard «western right wing troll» stereotyping, we must acknowledge that this is a veteran of the fight against ISIS who experienced persecution of his community during the Iraqi civil war and who probably was suffering from all sorts of trauma.
Does this excuse his behaviour, no. But it does explain it, way better than simplistic caricatures putting him in some «western racist» pigeonhole. He definitely did not deserve to die and he probably had some very legitimate reasons to hate Islam, a religion that he personally experienced in a really fucked up and extreme form in an extremely fucked up and extreme situation. Sadness all around.