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Bezos wedding: Venice protestors claim 'enormous victory' after venue change

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  • P [email protected]

    You have it backwards. Do I miss the /s?

    Did slave owners build Venice? No.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_slave_trade

    Rich Romans? Also no.

    This is further supported by documentation on the so-called "apostolic families", the twelve founding families of Venice who elected the first doge, who in most cases traced their lineage back to Roman families

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Republic_of_Venice

    Bezos doesn't come from a rich family

    Ted was a Danish American unicyclist born in Chicago to a family of Baptists.

    Ted struggled with alcohol and with his finances. Jacklyn left her husband to live with her parents, filing for divorce in June 1965 when Jeff was 17 months old.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos

    Bezos is a rich trader, like the Venetians. Compared to them he doesn't look that bad.

    Downvoters, these are facts and OP is wrong. You should't build your convictions on lies. Find valid reasons for the things you want to do.

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    Venice as a city predates the independent republic by roughly 2 centuries

    tradition and the available evidence have led several historians to agree that the original population of Venice consisted of refugees who were fleeing successive waves of Germanic and Hun invasions. (...) Some late Roman sources reveal the existence of fishermen, on the islands in the original marshy lagoons, who were referred to as incolae lacunae ("lagoon dwellers").

    By your logic, Bezos built Washington, which is where Amazon started

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    • U [email protected]

      Because they wouldn't get to that position if they were just plain stupid.

      Counterpoint: Trump

      The influence of money outweighs intelligence every time, which is precisely why your second statement holds true.

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      You both seem to be right. Needless levels of empathy should also be avoided in some sense. i want to believe in aliens though

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      • narr1@lemmy.mlN [email protected]

        "This event involves just 200 carefully selected guests and will bring major economic benefits to the city," the local politician said

        Tell me you don't understand what is being protested without telling me you don't understand what is being protested.

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        You cannot fathom the damages brought about by 20 years of Berlusconism

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        • P [email protected]

          Nothing was ever built by a person on a computer.

          Don't diminish his work. If you want billionaires to have less influence you have to replace what they do. If you think they do nothing then you have nothing to understand.

          Of all places, Venice is in the top 5 of places that cannot complain about being commercialized and rented out. Simping for Venice just shows how big the hate for Bezos is which isn't justified when looking at the criticism:

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos

          Where does the hate come from? He shows the limits of worker organized structures in comparison. All the unemployed could have built Amazon by themselves. The focus should be placed on finding new forms of cooperation, not on hating Bezos.

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          You simping this hard for Bezos for free is the really sad part.

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          • pelespirit@sh.itjust.worksP [email protected]

            "We are very proud of this! We are nobodies, we have no money, nothing!" Tommaso Cacciari, from a group calling itself No Space for Bezos, told the BBC.

            "We're just citizens who started organising and we managed to move one of the most powerful people in the world - all the billionaires - out of the city."

            The wedding kicks off later this week, and has a star-studded guest list of the rich and famous that is rumoured to include Kim Kardashian, Mick Jagger and Leonardo diCaprio, as well as several of the Trumps.

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            If we were to rank people on the basis of how far they are on the path towards enlightenment, without a doubt Jeff Bezos would have all the world in front of him.

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            • icastfist@programming.devI [email protected]

              Venice as a city predates the independent republic by roughly 2 centuries

              tradition and the available evidence have led several historians to agree that the original population of Venice consisted of refugees who were fleeing successive waves of Germanic and Hun invasions. (...) Some late Roman sources reveal the existence of fishermen, on the islands in the original marshy lagoons, who were referred to as incolae lacunae ("lagoon dwellers").

              By your logic, Bezos built Washington, which is where Amazon started

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              By your logic, people visit Venice for the fisher village huts.

              If you don't see what the elite does, how can you live in an equal society? Then nobody does those things and the society crumbles or those who do become the next elite.

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                yeah about 9 surgeries ago

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                Yep, looks more like Temu than like Amazon.

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                  You simping this hard for Bezos for free is the really sad part.

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                  To me, the sad part is that I am not simping, but nobody recognizes that. Like a bull in a bullfight, people attack billionaires without seeing the dagger.

                  Especially Amazon, people could have recognized the idea and created a cooperative competitor. Bezos is a billionaire because they haven't.

                  There are four options for the billionaire situation. Do nothing, organize a new party, civil war or starting competing businesses.

                  Hating Bezos without understanding his skills looks like the first option to me. In a world of flooding zones, that makes me wary.

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                    That might be a genuine option if not for widespread antitrust abuses by what is essentially monopolies.. your answer to that is "just create more businesses"?

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                    It's always duopolies because the elite doesn't trust itself. This leaves some room for business.

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                    • H [email protected]

                      Yep, looks more like Temu than like Amazon.

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                      don't know about Amazon but certainly not her Prime

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                      • narr1@lemmy.mlN [email protected]

                        You both seem to be right. Needless levels of empathy should also be avoided in some sense. i want to believe in aliens though

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                        Could you elaborate on "needless levels of empathy"?

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                        • L [email protected]

                          They can have their wedding in one of their beloved tax havens, not in some crumbling city that should be preserved as well as possible.

                          Doesn't Venice take a tax for each visitor? They should up this as much as possible. If you really want to go there you can pay a 100+ euros.

                          Don't get me started on cruise ships and the clientele on there.

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                          100+ euros? Lets say its 200€ each. And lets say Jeffy B has 2000 guests. So he has to pay 400.000€ in taxes. You know how long he has to do nothing to earn 400k? 100 Seconds. That's not even 2 minutes where he earns as much as we pay for a home.

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                          • L [email protected]

                            They can have their wedding in one of their beloved tax havens, not in some crumbling city that should be preserved as well as possible.

                            Doesn't Venice take a tax for each visitor? They should up this as much as possible. If you really want to go there you can pay a 100+ euros.

                            Don't get me started on cruise ships and the clientele on there.

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                            Indeed, they do have a tax. But it's essentially a tourist trap / tourist heaven now, a giant partying hub with few notable events that appeal to the 'haute culture' that, somehow, feels consumeristic in nature.

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                            • P [email protected]

                              To me, the sad part is that I am not simping, but nobody recognizes that. Like a bull in a bullfight, people attack billionaires without seeing the dagger.

                              Especially Amazon, people could have recognized the idea and created a cooperative competitor. Bezos is a billionaire because they haven't.

                              There are four options for the billionaire situation. Do nothing, organize a new party, civil war or starting competing businesses.

                              Hating Bezos without understanding his skills looks like the first option to me. In a world of flooding zones, that makes me wary.

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                              People like Bezos actively prevents competitors from emerging.
                              You equating someone who received $245,000 from his parents with any random guy who could have done the same is culpably dense.
                              His skills are being the business equivalent of a cancer that kills its host in order to grow.

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                                People like Bezos actively prevents competitors from emerging.
                                You equating someone who received $245,000 from his parents with any random guy who could have done the same is culpably dense.
                                His skills are being the business equivalent of a cancer that kills its host in order to grow.

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                                And yet, what other options exist right now?

                                But starting another regular company would end up with yet another billionaire, if successful. To avoid billionaires, businesses have to be structured and financed differently anyway.

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                                • P [email protected]

                                  Nothing was ever built by a person on a computer.

                                  Don't diminish his work. If you want billionaires to have less influence you have to replace what they do. If you think they do nothing then you have nothing to understand.

                                  Of all places, Venice is in the top 5 of places that cannot complain about being commercialized and rented out. Simping for Venice just shows how big the hate for Bezos is which isn't justified when looking at the criticism:

                                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos

                                  Where does the hate come from? He shows the limits of worker organized structures in comparison. All the unemployed could have built Amazon by themselves. The focus should be placed on finding new forms of cooperation, not on hating Bezos.

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                                  Ok, Jeff

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                                  • P [email protected]

                                    Maximizing value extraction is not bad as long as there is a free market. That's what drives competition and brings prices down. Of course, employees and customers need other options for this to be fair.

                                    Unless you organize a cooperating economy, maximizing value extraction is inevitable.

                                    Besides, you shouldn't ignore the work he does.

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                                    Maximizing value extraction is not bad as long as there is a free market.

                                    Yes it is. It is inherently exploitative.

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                                    • L [email protected]

                                      They can have their wedding in one of their beloved tax havens, not in some crumbling city that should be preserved as well as possible.

                                      Doesn't Venice take a tax for each visitor? They should up this as much as possible. If you really want to go there you can pay a 100+ euros.

                                      Don't get me started on cruise ships and the clientele on there.

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                                      Tax based on yearly income of the individual. Even with the creative accounting these shits do, it will still dwarf what normal people make.

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                                      • P [email protected]

                                        Ironic. Venice was built by people like Bezos.

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                                        Lmao if you say so, Ayn Rand

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                                        • pelespirit@sh.itjust.worksP [email protected]

                                          "We are very proud of this! We are nobodies, we have no money, nothing!" Tommaso Cacciari, from a group calling itself No Space for Bezos, told the BBC.

                                          "We're just citizens who started organising and we managed to move one of the most powerful people in the world - all the billionaires - out of the city."

                                          The wedding kicks off later this week, and has a star-studded guest list of the rich and famous that is rumoured to include Kim Kardashian, Mick Jagger and Leonardo diCaprio, as well as several of the Trumps.

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                                          This is the actual answer. Remember Greenpeace, who would set sail to interrupt oil tankers?

                                          Sailors in the Vaca Navy, what's the point in having wealth if you can't enjoy it?

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