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Bezos wedding: Venice protestors claim 'enormous victory' after venue change

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  • C [email protected]

    I think the Titanic could use a few more wealthy visitors.

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    I hear there's a well-known company that started taking tourists down to it a few years back! They were all over the press! Sounds like a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity!

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    • pelespirit@sh.itjust.worksP [email protected]

      "We are very proud of this! We are nobodies, we have no money, nothing!" Tommaso Cacciari, from a group calling itself No Space for Bezos, told the BBC.

      "We're just citizens who started organising and we managed to move one of the most powerful people in the world - all the billionaires - out of the city."

      The wedding kicks off later this week, and has a star-studded guest list of the rich and famous that is rumoured to include Kim Kardashian, Mick Jagger and Leonardo diCaprio, as well as several of the Trumps.

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      That picture. He's one monocle away from being a bond villain and she looks like she's halfway through the transformation into a vampire on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. He's even got one eyebrow raised like the monocle is already there. I wonder if he's just used to wearing one in his evil lair.

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      • icastfist@programming.devI [email protected]

        No matter how one looks at that assertion, it's just plain fucking wrong.

        Did slave owners build Venice? No. Rich Romans? Also no. Someone who isn't a slave owner but worked all his subjects to the bone? Nope as well.

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        You have it backwards. Do I miss the /s?

        Did slave owners build Venice? No.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_slave_trade

        Rich Romans? Also no.

        This is further supported by documentation on the so-called "apostolic families", the twelve founding families of Venice who elected the first doge, who in most cases traced their lineage back to Roman families

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Republic_of_Venice

        Bezos doesn't come from a rich family

        Ted was a Danish American unicyclist born in Chicago to a family of Baptists.

        Ted struggled with alcohol and with his finances. Jacklyn left her husband to live with her parents, filing for divorce in June 1965 when Jeff was 17 months old.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos

        Bezos is a rich trader, like the Venetians. Compared to them he doesn't look that bad.

        Downvoters, these are facts and OP is wrong. You should't build your convictions on lies. Find valid reasons for the things you want to do.

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          You’re only bringing that up because it’s a highly relevant and logical solution to the problem of isolated and ego driven wealth objectively and negatively affecting society on a global scale, way to strawman, libtard.

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          You forgot to defend the conservative ideal of the Roman empire as the supreme fascist state! You need to talk about how the romans allowed the free market (with the guiding hand of daddy imperator) to determine where the money should go! Tell them that the money was used to build roads, not for trade, but to march their very manly soldiers on against the commies and the libs!

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          • K [email protected]

            There's plenty of Cloud companies in the works currently; I already applied for a position at Evroc. But it's not all that Amazon does.

            Run corporations by ourselves? Gladly! When do the CEOs step down?

            Definitely Italian names and groups being mentioned in the article. Might be some Americans and others inbetween; it's a struggle mirrored around the world. Can just be a reference to the fact that Bezos and Amazon are known tax evaders - including for their EU business. And yes, I'd imagine that people aren't happy about being priced out of their own communities - hence the widespread anti-tourism protests in general

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            Run corporations by ourselves? Gladly! When do the CEOs step down?

            How come it's either civil war or nothing for most lefties? Why are people willing to fight a civil war and believe in success but not willing to start a business? The probability for survival is much bigger.

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              Run corporations by ourselves? Gladly! When do the CEOs step down?

              How come it's either civil war or nothing for most lefties? Why are people willing to fight a civil war and believe in success but not willing to start a business? The probability for survival is much bigger.

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              That might be a genuine option if not for widespread antitrust abuses by what is essentially monopolies.. your answer to that is "just create more businesses"?

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                Having all those billionaires there gathered at once would be a massive opportunity to create a huge transferable amount of wealth under the right circumstances.

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                Yeah,but can we please leave Venice intact doing that?
                Without the tourists it's a nice little city to be honest, and its inhabitants have suffered enough.

                Maybe Marghera?

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                  You have it backwards. Do I miss the /s?

                  Did slave owners build Venice? No.

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_slave_trade

                  Rich Romans? Also no.

                  This is further supported by documentation on the so-called "apostolic families", the twelve founding families of Venice who elected the first doge, who in most cases traced their lineage back to Roman families

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Republic_of_Venice

                  Bezos doesn't come from a rich family

                  Ted was a Danish American unicyclist born in Chicago to a family of Baptists.

                  Ted struggled with alcohol and with his finances. Jacklyn left her husband to live with her parents, filing for divorce in June 1965 when Jeff was 17 months old.

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos

                  Bezos is a rich trader, like the Venetians. Compared to them he doesn't look that bad.

                  Downvoters, these are facts and OP is wrong. You should't build your convictions on lies. Find valid reasons for the things you want to do.

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                  Venice as a city predates the independent republic by roughly 2 centuries

                  tradition and the available evidence have led several historians to agree that the original population of Venice consisted of refugees who were fleeing successive waves of Germanic and Hun invasions. (...) Some late Roman sources reveal the existence of fishermen, on the islands in the original marshy lagoons, who were referred to as incolae lacunae ("lagoon dwellers").

                  By your logic, Bezos built Washington, which is where Amazon started

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                    Because they wouldn't get to that position if they were just plain stupid.

                    Counterpoint: Trump

                    The influence of money outweighs intelligence every time, which is precisely why your second statement holds true.

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                    You both seem to be right. Needless levels of empathy should also be avoided in some sense. i want to believe in aliens though

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                      "This event involves just 200 carefully selected guests and will bring major economic benefits to the city," the local politician said

                      Tell me you don't understand what is being protested without telling me you don't understand what is being protested.

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                      You cannot fathom the damages brought about by 20 years of Berlusconism

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                      • P [email protected]

                        Nothing was ever built by a person on a computer.

                        Don't diminish his work. If you want billionaires to have less influence you have to replace what they do. If you think they do nothing then you have nothing to understand.

                        Of all places, Venice is in the top 5 of places that cannot complain about being commercialized and rented out. Simping for Venice just shows how big the hate for Bezos is which isn't justified when looking at the criticism:

                        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos

                        Where does the hate come from? He shows the limits of worker organized structures in comparison. All the unemployed could have built Amazon by themselves. The focus should be placed on finding new forms of cooperation, not on hating Bezos.

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                        You simping this hard for Bezos for free is the really sad part.

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                          "We are very proud of this! We are nobodies, we have no money, nothing!" Tommaso Cacciari, from a group calling itself No Space for Bezos, told the BBC.

                          "We're just citizens who started organising and we managed to move one of the most powerful people in the world - all the billionaires - out of the city."

                          The wedding kicks off later this week, and has a star-studded guest list of the rich and famous that is rumoured to include Kim Kardashian, Mick Jagger and Leonardo diCaprio, as well as several of the Trumps.

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                          If we were to rank people on the basis of how far they are on the path towards enlightenment, without a doubt Jeff Bezos would have all the world in front of him.

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                          • icastfist@programming.devI [email protected]

                            Venice as a city predates the independent republic by roughly 2 centuries

                            tradition and the available evidence have led several historians to agree that the original population of Venice consisted of refugees who were fleeing successive waves of Germanic and Hun invasions. (...) Some late Roman sources reveal the existence of fishermen, on the islands in the original marshy lagoons, who were referred to as incolae lacunae ("lagoon dwellers").

                            By your logic, Bezos built Washington, which is where Amazon started

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                            By your logic, people visit Venice for the fisher village huts.

                            If you don't see what the elite does, how can you live in an equal society? Then nobody does those things and the society crumbles or those who do become the next elite.

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                              yeah about 9 surgeries ago

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                              Yep, looks more like Temu than like Amazon.

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                                You simping this hard for Bezos for free is the really sad part.

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                                To me, the sad part is that I am not simping, but nobody recognizes that. Like a bull in a bullfight, people attack billionaires without seeing the dagger.

                                Especially Amazon, people could have recognized the idea and created a cooperative competitor. Bezos is a billionaire because they haven't.

                                There are four options for the billionaire situation. Do nothing, organize a new party, civil war or starting competing businesses.

                                Hating Bezos without understanding his skills looks like the first option to me. In a world of flooding zones, that makes me wary.

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                                  That might be a genuine option if not for widespread antitrust abuses by what is essentially monopolies.. your answer to that is "just create more businesses"?

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                                  It's always duopolies because the elite doesn't trust itself. This leaves some room for business.

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                                    Yep, looks more like Temu than like Amazon.

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                                    don't know about Amazon but certainly not her Prime

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                                      You both seem to be right. Needless levels of empathy should also be avoided in some sense. i want to believe in aliens though

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                                      Could you elaborate on "needless levels of empathy"?

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                                        They can have their wedding in one of their beloved tax havens, not in some crumbling city that should be preserved as well as possible.

                                        Doesn't Venice take a tax for each visitor? They should up this as much as possible. If you really want to go there you can pay a 100+ euros.

                                        Don't get me started on cruise ships and the clientele on there.

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                                        100+ euros? Lets say its 200€ each. And lets say Jeffy B has 2000 guests. So he has to pay 400.000€ in taxes. You know how long he has to do nothing to earn 400k? 100 Seconds. That's not even 2 minutes where he earns as much as we pay for a home.

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                                          They can have their wedding in one of their beloved tax havens, not in some crumbling city that should be preserved as well as possible.

                                          Doesn't Venice take a tax for each visitor? They should up this as much as possible. If you really want to go there you can pay a 100+ euros.

                                          Don't get me started on cruise ships and the clientele on there.

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                                          Indeed, they do have a tax. But it's essentially a tourist trap / tourist heaven now, a giant partying hub with few notable events that appeal to the 'haute culture' that, somehow, feels consumeristic in nature.

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